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« on: June 14, 2009, 11:25:10 AM »

This is an article by Foreign Policy Magazine that I thought I would share.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/files/story4994.php
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 11:54:17 AM »

*whew*  At least we aren't on the list Smiley

All of these parties have major problems, but they also have a history and standing that would probably prevent a total collapse.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2009, 12:17:33 PM »

"Fianna Fail"? Any party with "Fail" in it's name is asking for it, surely.
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2009, 12:21:27 PM »

I don't think any of these Parties are going to "disappear completely", as the article says.  These Parties may all spend quite a bit of time in the wilderness, but they'll all make it back.
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2009, 01:04:11 PM »

This is an article by Foreign Policy Magazine that I thought I would share.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/files/story4994.php

I suppose the french PS is one of these 5 parties... sigh... Sad
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2009, 01:09:30 PM »

BQ and FF are in no such danger. A case could be made for the LDP, but I'm not holding my breath. What's said of UCR is just as true of the Peronists... and has been true for decades for both of them. If they've nominally survived this long, they might well do so for another century.

The only party in real danger of disappearing is Israel's Labour.
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2009, 02:20:55 PM »

The SPD in Germany works very hard to destroy themself. Labour in Israel isn't in danger, they are dead and have no future.
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2009, 02:49:43 PM »

Of these, only Avoda has a chance to die. The Bloc and Fianna Fail are in no danger. I can think of many other parties in more danger than either of those two.

What's said of UCR is just as true of the Peronists... and has been true for decades for both of them. If they've nominally survived this long, they might well do so for another century.

The only party in real danger of disappearing is Israel's Labour.

Indeed. Argentina has no real political parties per se, and other parties are no different to how they described UCR.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2009, 04:23:54 PM »

Was FG always a conservative rival to FF?
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2009, 04:35:04 PM »

Was FG always a conservative rival to FF?
More like, never. It has always been less simple (just like with UCR and Peronists.) But this article was written for american dumbs.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2009, 04:42:56 PM »

This is an article by Foreign Policy Magazine that I thought I would share.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/files/story4994.php

I suppose the french PS is one of these 5 parties... sigh... Sad

I thought the same when the returns came in for the European election. Sad
Hopefully they don't field Royal... she's a total nut job.
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2009, 05:03:22 PM »

If the LDP loses power, they won't have much reason for existing anymore. But I would've said the same thing about the Mexican PRI. Labor doesn't have much reason for existance anymore, so I could see that. I'd love to see the Bloc fall, but I doubt it, in the end they may just reinvent themselves as more of a Quebec nationalist party than an actual seperatist party (Wonder if they'll ever become a Francophone nationalist party and try to reach out to parts of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia too? Might be a better move.) Most of South America doesn't have real political parties, and thus UCR is fine in its current state. I'd love to see Epic Fail go away but it won't happen.
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2009, 06:16:08 PM »

The Israeli Labour Party is gonna be gone. The Kadima Party (Fmr Likud members) is the new liberal of Israel. Even though fmr Likud people make it up, the Likuds who make it up are liberals, and moderates.

But, either way I don't like Israel's electoral system.

Also, The GOP should at least be in the top ten,if not 5.
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2009, 07:43:40 PM »

The Israeli Labour Party is gonna be gone. The Kadima Party (Fmr Likud members) is the new liberal of Israel. Even though fmr Likud people make it up, the Likuds who make it up are liberals, and moderates.

But, either way I don't like Israel's electoral system.

Also, The GOP should at least be in the top ten,if not 5.

Stop acting as if you understand Israeli politics since you don't.
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2009, 08:00:22 PM »

The Israeli Labour Party is gonna be gone. The Kadima Party (Fmr Likud members) is the new liberal of Israel. Even though fmr Likud people make it up, the Likuds who make it up are liberals, and moderates.

But, either way I don't like Israel's electoral system.

Also, The GOP should at least be in the top ten,if not 5.

Stop acting as if you understand Israeli politics since you don't.

And American politics.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2009, 08:04:59 PM »

This is an article by Foreign Policy Magazine that I thought I would share.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/files/story4994.php

I suppose the french PS is one of these 5 parties... sigh... Sad

I thought the same when the returns came in for the European election. Sad
Hopefully they don't field Royal... she's a total nut job.

The PS is not dying anytime soon. Anybody who thinks so is deranged.

French socialism is just too entrenched of an ideology and concept. It didn't die in 1968 or 1969. The PS itself didn't die in 1992-1993, 1994 or 2002. They're certainly in a bad state, especially because they're an opposition party, but they're not on their deathbed, sadly.
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2009, 10:08:11 PM »

While it's quite possible that the LDP will break up, at the end of the day there will almost certainly be a center-right party which calls itself the Liberal Democratic Party.

The Bloc probably isn't in danger of collapse, but it's likely that they'll do what the Alaska Independence Party did and become a SPINO (Secessionist Party in Name Only), as Quebec sovreigntism seems to be in decline.
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2009, 07:56:32 AM »

LDP won't disappear: he will transform, divide itself again but will also absorb others: DPJ is no more a stable, homogeneous and rising party.

FF won't disappear, of course.

UCR isn't a party, as has been said before.

BQ, I can't say, there are far better specialists of la politique québecoise than me over here...

Havoda is clearly threatened.

But how many parties have been foreseen as dead in the past ?
Mexican PRI, Brazilian parties of all kind (true, not really parties...), Canadian conservatives and, more recently, liberals, INC,...

On the other hand, others died or almost died but nobody hasn't predicted it (or when it was on the verge of occurring):
Spain's and Portugal's CDS, French radicals, French SFIO, Italy's DC,...

Berlusconi's PDL will be an interesting case to look at when Il Cavaliere himself dies (politically and/or personally, which may be the same...).

Isn't Spain's PP more threatened in case of a new defeat in next general elections ?
And Vlaamse Belang ?
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2009, 11:39:20 AM »

Berlusconi's PDL will be an interesting case to look at when Il Cavaliere himself dies (politically and/or personally, which may be the same...).

Indeed. Though it's not only the PdL, which is nothing more than Berlusconi's personal machine filled with first-class political nonentities and/or idiots (just look at the PdL candidate in the Florence local election this month, lol), but a lot of other parties. The Second Republic has become a party system based around one man - Berlusconi. The parties either oppose him or support him. When Berlusconi disappears, the PD could be threatened if Berlusconi's disappearance means the end of the Second Republic and a return to a sane ideological party system. Then you would obviously have a right-wing non-Berlusconi party which could undoubtedly include the DCs now gone to the PD/Italia dei Valori and a left-wing party (along with the usual irrelevancies, Communists, fascists and so forth).


Most of Vlaams Belang's lost support has gone to the N-VA or Dedecker's list. I think (and hope) that Dedecker's good days are over and the N-VA could obviously lose votes. Anyways, Flemish nationalism has only been getting stronger these days, although maybe slightly less Nazi.
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2009, 12:21:31 PM »

"Fianna Fail"? Any party with "Fail" in it's name is asking for it, surely.

Fianna Fáil (translation = Soldiers of Destiny)

Anyway, they're not going out of existence any time soon. The Green Party however...
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2009, 11:15:22 AM »

I BQ may die once Gilles Duceppe is gone, but I don't see the PQ dying any time soon.
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2009, 03:03:00 AM »

Or Solders of Ireland, If I have understood correctly (that coronation stone anyway)

Yeah, fair enough.
(The stone, btw, is the Lia Fáil.)
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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2009, 07:57:21 PM »

BQ and FF are in no such danger. A case could be made for the LDP, but I'm not holding my breath. What's said of UCR is just as true of the Peronists... and has been true for decades for both of them. If they've nominally survived this long, they might well do so for another century.

The only party in real danger of disappearing is Israel's Labour.

Mainly agree with what Lewis said. The BQ and FF will die when Quebec stops being different and people forget the Civil War (in other words, never). Disagree on the LDP; they've always been a government party, and the last party like that to lose power the way it looks like the LDP will was the Albertan Socreds, who never recovered. Argentinian political labels are useless nowadays. In Israel, we're seeing either a shift to the right in the electorate or a shift to the left of the parties (or possibly both). Either way, Kadima has become the main party of the left, Likud is increasingly taking the center, and YB is the new mainstream right. Given the way Israeli politics works, it's a marvel that Labor has been around so long.
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2009, 02:27:41 AM »

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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2009, 06:58:55 AM »

The BQ and FF will die when Quebec stops being different and people forget the Civil War (in other words, never).

While it is true that there is no majority for independence in Quebec (if there ever was one), you still have 35-40% who favour independence, and these people are not voting for Pierre Trudeau's party, the Redneck We Hate French People Alliance, or the NDP (the left in Quebec being quasi-exclusively nats). The best way for the Bloc to survive is to keep that independence talk in the background for a few years, while not promising a referendum and getting around the topic by saying they'll call one "when the time is right (aka, never) but make "fighting for Quebec interests" their main credo. That credo always works to marvel. In other words, become like the CiU in Catalonia (and not ERC).
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