GERMAN CHANCELLORS SURVIVOR- winner: Willy BRANDT, over Adenauer !

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Krosigk fell in round 2.

ROUND THREE IS OPEN

And I vote fo Franz von Papen,

a bad conservative, one of those who paved the way for Hitler.

Four, actually.

I second your vote for Franz von Papen. An horrible piece of crap.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Krosigk fell in round 2.

ROUND THREE IS OPEN

And I vote fo Franz von Papen,

a bad conservative, one of those who paved the way for Hitler.

Four, actually.

I second your vote for Franz von Papen. An horrible piece of crap.

I third.

[Platypus]

Otto von Bismarck

[Hans-im-Glück]

Kurt von Schleicher

[minionofmidas]

Bismarck

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Krosigk fell in round 2.

ROUND THREE IS OPEN

And I vote fo Franz von Papen,

a bad conservative, one of those who paved the way for Hitler.

Four, actually.

I second your vote for Franz von Papen. An horrible piece of crap.

I third.

Thanks guys.
Yep, I don't sleep enough these times...
Fixed.

[big bad fab]

I'm surprised about votes on Bismarck so early.

He was, granted, a Prussian militarist. And his images with his helmet aren't very smiling

But, on the other hand, a sort of small Welfare State was born under his rule in Germany.
Republican France, enlightened Italy, sophisticated Britain came later on this path. And eternal Russia never.

As for Schleicher, he was the last attempt to avoid Hitler. Sure, not a perfect democrat, but different from Papen, who supported Hitler and took a part in his regime, at least in the beginning.

Of course, it's fine to have some suspense after the 3 obvious Nazis or proxies !

[minionofmidas]

Bismarck ended my country's independence. What do you expect? (Yeah, I know. My ancestors only started moving here twenty years after that. )
Frankfurt remained a city under very real military occupation for half the "German Empire" period of Prussia's history.

[Hans-im-Glück]

As for Schleicher, he was the last attempt to avoid Hitler. Sure, not a perfect democrat, but different from Papen, who supported Hitler and took a part in his regime, at least in the beginning.

Both, von Schleicher and von Papen were very bad politicans. There is no big difference. I know there is a book from Friedrich-Karl von Plehwe with the name "Kurt von Schleicher. Weimars letzte Chance gegen Hitler" (Kurt von Schleicher. Weimars last chance against Hitler), but this is more a joke. When Schleicher was the last chance, then there was no chance.

Schleicher and Papen were in the first big friends, after Hindenburg fires Papen they were no friends anymore. Schleicher had a big influence to Hindenburg and with the election of this man it was the beginning of the end.

[GMantis]

Kurt von Schleicher

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Von Papen out after round four, but with only a plurality of votes. Granted, our electorate is tinier and tinier... Please vote, guys !

ROUND FIVE IS OPEN

Now that Papen is out and even if some WWI chancellors are "tempting" choices, I vote for

Kurt von Schleicher

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Kurt von Schleicher

[Platypus]

Georg Michaelis

[GMantis]

Kurt von Schleicher

[minionofmidas]

Bismarck

[Hans-im-Glück]

Kurt von Schleicher

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Schleicher is out after round five.

ROUND SIX IS OPEN

I vote for Michaelis.

[Hans-im-Glück]

Now it will be more interesting, after all nazi and pre-nazi chancellor are eleminated.

I vote for: Georg Michaelis

He was a very incompetent chancellor.

[minionofmidas]

Bismarck

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Ludwig Erhard

Reason: Mediocre Chancellor. His whole reputation stems from his time as Minister of Economics.

[minionofmidas]

Ludwig Erhard

Reason: Mediocre Chancellor. His whole reputation stems from his time as Minister of Economics.

Actually, his reputation mostly stems from his time as Director of Economics of the Bizonal Economic Council... the most powerful German-held position in Germany at the time.

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Georg Michaelis. An incompetent fool.

[Hans-im-Glück]

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Ludwig Erhard

Reason: Mediocre Chancellor. His whole reputation stems from his time as Minister of Economics.
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Ludwig Erhard was the worst chancellor after the WW2, but when you see at some chancellor in the empire or Weimar times he wasn't so bad.

Okay, he was a good minister of economics and a bad chancellor, but to vote so early him is to much.

Bismarck

I'm from Bavaria and here exists not so many fans of Bismark (maybe in my region franconia more like in old Bavaria), but he was a very good man.

@ Lewis

Hessen and Frankfurt was in the time before Bismark official independent, but in reality nothing. The big countries like Prussia,  Austria and France make with them what they want. This isn't independent.

[GMantis]

Bismarck organized the Berlin congress, so I'm voting for him.

[minionofmidas]

Hessen and Frankfurt was in the time before Bismark official independent, but in reality nothing. The big countries like Prussia,  Austria and France make with them what they want. This isn't independent.

That's just as independent as most of the world's countries today.

Frankfurt's last head of state hanged himself after annexation, btw. He has a short residential street named after him.