Why is it cool to persecute Christians?

[Coburn In 2012]

All the Hollywood types really get into things about helping persecuted minorities.  And this is a good thing not bad.  I think its wrong for example, that people in Tibet are under communism and are badly treated because they are religious.  Those free tibet types are right.

But here is what I don't get.  I could speak up for Buddhists in Tibet or Jews surrounded by Moslems in Isreal.  I could wear a button for all kinds of religious and other groups and be praise for it.

But why can't we speak up for persecution of Christians?  It's rampent everywhere and its considered very much the cool thing.  Even here on the Atlas you can make fun of the Christian posters and make picture of Jesus and dinosaurs that are insulting.  You ban Christmas but you better not touch Kawanza.  What gives

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I don't know, ask your right-wing buddies who love Kosovo so much.

[Lunar]

[John Dibble]

If people making fun of your beliefs is your definition of "persecution" then you are nothing more than a spoiled rotten child. Last time I checked Christians were the supermajority in this country, so the chances of Christians being truly persecuted here are slim to none, and slim just got shot.

Now there is REAL persecution of Christians in other parts of the world, just like there is for many groups that are minorities in those locales.

[memphis]

If people making fun of your beliefs is your definition of "persecution" then you are nothing more than a spoiled rotten child. Last time I checked Christians were the supermajority in this country, so the chances of Christians being truly persecuted here are slim to none, and slim just got shot.

Now there is REAL persecution of Christians in other parts of the world, just like there is for many groups that are minorities in those locales.

This.  Nobody here condones actual persecution.

[Stranger in a strange land]

You ban Christmas but you better not touch Kawanza.  What gives

BAN Christmas? LOL. Ban is an awful strong word. Somebody objecting to a nativity scene or putting up an atheist sign isn't in any way the same as banning the holiday. According to this Gallup survey, 93% of Americans, including a majority of non-Christians, celebrate Christmas.

[Earth]

Christmas isn't banned, and it's funny you think Christians are being persecuted in America.

[Sewer]

[The Mikado]

You ban Christmas but you better not touch Kawanza.  What gives

If it makes you feel better, I don't know anyone who takes Kwanza seriously.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Only something like 1.3% of Americans celebrate Kwanzaa. Blacks make up about 13% of the American population, so that means even among blacks around 90% don't celebrate Kwanzaa.

[Devilman88]

To think Christians are being persecuted in America is silly.

[The Mikado]

Only something like 1.3% of Americans celebrate Kwanzaa. Blacks make up about 13% of the American population, so that means even among blacks around 90% don't celebrate Kwanzaa.

While the number sounds about right, where did you get the % of people who celebrate Kwanzaa?

That was about what I would have guessed, though.  It's a ridiculous, made-up holiday that has no real roots in any sort of tradition.

[Stranger in a strange land]

To think Christians are being persecuted in America is silly.

furthermore, I feel it's disrespectful towards Christians in countries where they actually ARE persecuted.

[GMantis]

All the Hollywood types really get into things about helping persecuted minorities.  And this is a good thing not bad.  I think its wrong for example, that people in Tibet are under communism and are badly treated because they are religious.  Those free tibet types are right.

But here is what I don't get.  I could speak up for Buddhists in Tibet or Jews surrounded by Moslems in Isreal.  I could wear a button for all kinds of religious and other groups and be praise for it.

But why can't we speak up for persecution of Christians?  It's rampent everywhere and its considered very much the cool thing.  Even here on the Atlas you can make fun of the Christian posters and make picture of Jesus and dinosaurs that are insulting.  You ban Christmas but you better not touch Kawanza.  What gives

To imply that Christians are prosecuted in a country where they are the vast majority and dominate all spheres of public life, while Christians are really abused in many countries around the world, is obscene. It's especially obscene, considering how Iraqi Christians were ethnically cleansed under the nose of occupation forces, sent by a government which you support. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Sbane]

To think Christians are being persecuted in America is silly.

furthermore, I feel it's disrespectful towards Christians in countries where they actually ARE persecuted.

Absolutely correct. And Coburn, if you took up the cause of some real persecuted Christians I bet you would be praised for it just as you would for taking up the cause for Tibet. But if you pretend that Christians are persecuted in America then people are going to think you are crazy, and rightly so.

[dead0man]

For the same reason it's fun to "persecute" (as has been suggested that is the WRONG word for what happens to "christians" in America) fans of winning sports franchises or the sitting President or rich people or cops...if you think a certain group or person has too much "power" and you're not part of that group, you are going to look for ways to bring them down a peg or 3 and when you find one these ways you are going to shout it from the roof tops.  This is called human nature....many humans, even Christians, have these feelings.

[opebo]

By persecute, King Coburn means - we have the temerity to not accept that they are 'better than' us.

[Devilman88]

By persecute, King Coburn means - we have the temerity to not accept that they are 'better than' us.

True Christians don't think that way. Many may say they are Christians, but are not. True Christians love and help and treat everyone the same. I would go as far as to say over half of the people who call themself Christians aren't Christians at all.

[Coburn In 2012]

Um so no one has seen the slew of Hollyweird movies mocking Christianity?  Bill Maher has done one at least.  I think more.

It is very much in vogue to mock CHrist, Christians and traditional values right here in America.  And now obama wants to pass laws like they have in Europe where Pastors can't proclaim the word of God from the pulpit if it offends the Gays or such like that.

It may not be long before we see preachers behind bars for simply saying "The bible says Gay is NOT A-OK."  Or for saying abortion is murder or Islam is a false religion.  You say Christians aren't persecuted in America.  Well I agree that so far there are no concentration camps or prisons for conservative Christians.  But it may be headed that way unless we return to the values that made us great.

Just my two cents here I don't mean to be rude to any one.

[Devilman88]

Coburn, I do agree with you that Christians do get mocked in America. But that is our fault. The Church of Christ has lost their voice because to many "so call" Christians go to church on Sunday and act all Godly then Monday through Saturday live like hell. That doesn't send a very good message at all. If the Church of God would start preaching Christ message and not this new age crap they preach the church would regain their voice. If Christians would start living like Christ and not hell itself then we wouldn't get mocked like we do. Christians have no one to blame but ourselves.

Also, please try to write a little better. It is very hard trying to read your posts.

[Keystone Phil]

You have to love the logic of the haters: "You guys are a supermajority so of course it's fine for us to unfairly attack your beliefs!"

And then there's the ever so popular "I'm Jewish so don't lecture me about persecution..."

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I'm Jewish so don't lecture me about persecution.  Dumbass.

[Devilman88]

I'm Jewish so don't lecture me about persecution.  Dumbass.

I have you beat, I'm a bisexual christian so don't lecture me about being persecution.

[Lunar]

I'm Jewish so don't lecture me about persecution.  Dumbass.

Y'all aren't doing too bad for yourselves politically or socioeconomically in contemporary America.


I bet fat people are persecuted against more

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I bet fat people are persecuted against more

I'm also fat