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« on: May 17, 2009, 09:08:54 PM »

I'm just asking what everyone here thinks.  I said no, because He is God and we are not.  Rather, I believe that God is in control of science and can do with it whatever he well pleases.  That's why I have a hard time with anyone accepting science as the supreme law, but not accepting God's control over everything including science.  God is the Author of all life and if He wanted to create a man and bring woman from man and then bring the rest of mankind from woman, then He had the authority and ability to do so. 

The only thing that no one will ever know is exactly WHEN He created all life and or when He set evolution into motion.  Some believe 6,000-7,000 years for both the age of the world and the age of man, and others believe millions of years for both and still others are somewhere in between.  I believe millions of years for the earth and about 6K-7K for man.  I base that off that historical accounts have Abraham around 2,000 B.C. and going off Genesis 5 and Genesis 10 (the geneaological records) would bring it to about 3,000 B.C. for Noah and 4,000 for Adam.  I believe the Bible is historically accurate, so that makes me believe mankind is in the vicinity of 6,500 years old.  I'm willing for God to show me different when I get home, but that's what I believe.  I do agree with scientists that the earth is most likely millions of years old and thus believe that the 7 days of creation in Genesis 1 was not 7 24-hour days, rather they were 7 phases of probably thousands to millions of years each.  Again, I'm willing for God to show me different when I get home.

Since God is in control, he occasionally will do things that defies human logic, for example, the virgin birth, the resurrection of Jesus Christ (a dead man walking), and the ascension of Jesus Christ into heaven (a man just rising through the clouds into heaven).  I believe he does these things so we will put our faith in Him, not in a science textbook.
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2009, 09:12:17 PM »

Of course not.  God created science, and He could change it if he wanted to.  I believe the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, Man is, in his present form (Homo sapien), about 40,000 years old, and that the initial history in the Bible (up until Abraham) is not literally true.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 09:13:24 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 09:15:19 PM »

You're starting from the assumption that an all-powerful God exists, and then asking if he has a certain power.  The answer's always going to be "yes."  Tongue  The actual question is whether such a God exists, and whether that God is or isn't all-powerful -- or has this specific power, at least.

Moreover, I question "God"'s motivation a little here.  When he's subtly violating apparent natural laws, that's an attempt to get attention?  But he won't do something more attention-grabbing, so that only true fools and heretics would deny his presence?  Maybe we're anthropomorphizing "God" a bit too much.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 09:20:14 PM »

I think God wrote scientific law.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2009, 09:21:03 PM »

Adlai Alert! Adlai Alert!

Watch as Adlai basically denies God's existence but still holds off on saying that just in case God does exist


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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2009, 09:22:22 PM »

Adlai Alert! Adlai Alert!

Watch as Adlai basically denies God's existence but still holds off on saying that just in case God does exist


Insert length, egghead response...

I don't deny God's existence.  I have a bad enough track record with the physical to be hedging bets on the metaphysical.

From what I know about the world, I find the Judeo-Christian god unlikely yeah, but what does that have to do with the topic?  Someone just likes talking about me Wink
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2009, 09:52:17 PM »

Assuming that such a supreme deity exists, I suppose that depends on what you mean by "scientific law".

If you mean the laws that science has derived from observation and experimentation, then probably not.

On the other hand, if you mean the laws that actually run our universe regardless of whether scientists have discovered them or not, then most definitely yes. By virtue of being a supreme being that can overrule all other behavioral "laws" of the universe, it makes the highest law of the universe "God can do whatever". Or something, I dunno, I'm tired.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2009, 10:32:21 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2009, 12:03:15 AM »
« Edited: May 19, 2009, 12:18:34 AM by Supersoulty »

I think this question implies disparity where none exists.
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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2009, 10:34:30 AM »

I think God wrote scientific law.

If god exists then this is probably the right answer.
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2009, 10:38:25 AM »

The question is based on the premise that God exists, as stated by Alcon. That kind of makes a good answer here pretty difficult.
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2009, 02:37:34 PM »

I believe that God is coextensive with the universe and as such is ruled by scientific laws, as are all things within the universe. You could also say that, as God is coextensive with the universe, God is, amongst other things, scientific law. As such, to say that something is ruled by itself is redundant and pointless.
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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2009, 02:38:53 PM »
« Edited: May 19, 2009, 02:43:20 PM by Mint »

I don't believe there is a God, at least not a sentient one. Probably not if it exists, since by definition its existence would transcend conventional science.
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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2009, 02:46:28 PM »

I believe that God is coextensive with the universe and as such is ruled by scientific laws, as are all things within the universe. You could also say that, as God is coextensive with the universe, God is, amongst other things, scientific law. As such, to say that something is ruled by itself is redundant and pointless.

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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2009, 11:01:02 AM »

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.
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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2009, 12:34:12 PM »

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

well, since the bible says it is impossible for God to lie, he is simply T=T
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2009, 01:18:52 PM »

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

well, since the bible says it is impossible for God to lie, he is simply T=T

Why would it be impossible for God to lie?
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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2009, 01:33:13 PM »

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

Sigh. See my answer to whether God is ruled by scientific law.

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

well, since the bible says it is impossible for God to lie, he is simply T=T

Why would it be impossible for God to lie?

Well, I can't answer for anyone else, but I can say what I believe. I do not believe that God is a being per se, at least not in the traditional sense of the word. "He" does not speak as we would think of it. I believe that God is coexistent with the universe; God is the totality of existence, and a metaphor thereof. God can do anything because "He" is everything; "He" knows everything because he is everywhere and has "seen" everything. (The masculine form irritates me, btw). For God to lie, that would mean the universe would have to lie. By definition, all that the universe is is true.
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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2009, 01:52:20 PM »

Well, I can't answer for anyone else, but I can say what I believe. I do not believe that God is a being per se, at least not in the traditional sense of the word. "He" does not speak as we would think of it.

I have seen that your belief is wrong.
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2009, 01:57:11 PM »

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

well, since the bible says it is impossible for God to lie, he is simply T=T

Why would it be impossible for God to lie?

Because, he is "the God of truth" (Psa 31:5; Isa 65:15)
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2009, 02:14:23 PM »

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

well, since the bible says it is impossible for God to lie, he is simply T=T

Why would it be impossible for God to lie?

Because, he is "the God of truth" (Psa 31:5; Isa 65:15)

Could be lying to you right there.  He's omnipotent, you ain't omniscient.
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2009, 02:36:19 PM »

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

well, since the bible says it is impossible for God to lie, he is simply T=T

Why would it be impossible for God to lie?

Because, he is "the God of truth" (Psa 31:5; Isa 65:15)

Could be lying to you right there.  He's omnipotent, you ain't omniscient.

Ah, but you purposely forget that I have already proven him to be true:

John 3:31-34"The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. 32He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. 33The man who has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. 34For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit."

So, the fact that God gave me his Spirit when I believed certifies that God is truthful.  And if you go back and read my testimony (not my doctrine) of the night I was saved, you'll find that my testimony of what God did that night completely aligns with scripture, certifying that God's word is true.
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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2009, 04:01:41 PM »

Well, I can't answer for anyone else, but I can say what I believe. I do not believe that God is a being per se, at least not in the traditional sense of the word. "He" does not speak as we would think of it.

I have seen that your belief is wrong.

How so?
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2009, 05:09:39 PM »

A more interesting question is whether God is limited by the laws of logic.

well, since the bible says it is impossible for God to lie, he is simply T=T

Why would it be impossible for God to lie?

Because, he is "the God of truth" (Psa 31:5; Isa 65:15)

So God, the almighty as many see him, cannot do everything? You see where I'm going with this?
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