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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2009, 04:44:56 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2009, 04:51:14 PM »

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2009, 04:57:20 PM »

Alright then, I think I'll go ahead and move to invoke cloture. The other aspects can be discussed at a separete time (such as dual office holding) if the need should ever arise. This bill should only be about removal from office, if you ask me.

I think we all agree that something needs to be done Smiley



Sounds good.

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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2009, 06:21:40 PM »

     Aye.
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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2009, 06:40:41 PM »

Aye for cloture.
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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2009, 08:01:11 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2009, 08:03:03 PM »

This legislative body derives its powers from Article I, Section 5 of the Atlasian Constitution. My question to this bill's proponents: which clause of this section allows us the authority to regulate the role of Game Moderator? I would prefer we not pass an unconstitutional bill here.

We're not regulating the role of the Game Moderator, but adding a way in which the Game Moderator may be removed. There is precedent for this:

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/GM_Act

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I don't see any reason that the Senate should not have the power to modify these guidelines, considering it was the Senate that passed the current rules as well.

Because the Senate did not have the power to codify such regulations to begin with.

Any Senate regulation of the GM position would have to be considered unconstitutional (see Sam Spade vs. Ebowed).
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« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2009, 08:03:57 PM »

I am pretty sure the GM isn't in the Constitution at all? It was a position established by the Senate and, as such, can be regulated by the Senate. The power to create is the power to destroy.

No.

The GM is mentioned in the Constitution, but certainly not anywhere regarding the powers of the Senate.
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« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2009, 08:07:13 PM »

I am pretty sure the GM isn't in the Constitution at all? It was a position established by the Senate and, as such, can be regulated by the Senate. The power to create is the power to destroy.

No.

The GM is mentioned in the Constitution, but certainly not anywhere regarding the powers of the Senate.

All it says is that the President has power to appoint the GM, not the Senate. You've been a useless GM anyways so this will be passed and you can challange it if you want and hopefully in the end you can go back to doing nothing without an official position.
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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2009, 08:09:32 PM »

All it says is that the President has power to appoint the GM, not the Senate.

I can assure you that is not where the GM is mentioned in the Constitution...

You've been a useless GM anyways so this will be passed and you can challange it if you want and hopefully in the end you can go back to doing nothing without an official position.

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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2009, 10:00:53 PM »

AYE on cloture.
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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2009, 10:03:35 PM »

Cloture attained. We're now voting on the final passage of this act. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2009, 10:04:23 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2009, 10:07:04 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2009, 10:10:51 PM »

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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2009, 10:16:25 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2009, 10:21:07 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2009, 06:23:06 AM »

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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2009, 07:01:38 AM »

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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2009, 08:43:43 AM »

And because of that stupid rule  this bill has passed with 7 Ayes, 0 Nays and o Abstentions. I herey present it to the President for his signiture.
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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2009, 03:03:59 PM »

Veto
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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2009, 03:20:08 PM »

I think my fellow sponsor, MasterJedi, will agree with my request to attempt an override.
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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2009, 03:51:11 PM »

I think my fellow sponsor, MasterJedi, will agree with my request to attempt an override.

Yes, I do. This is now in the Veto override slot. On the veto override please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2009, 03:55:06 PM »

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« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2009, 04:01:56 PM »

Nay.

Sorry for not being here when cloture and final vote was sped through, but the Senate lacks authority to assert itself here.

Even if you want to assume that the GM should be treated as any other presidential appointment (which it's clearly not), this would still be an unconstitutional and unprecedented breach of the executive's power. Does the Senate have the authority to unilaterally remove, say, the SOFA, based on a simple parliamentary motion?

If the Game Moderator is inactive it's the President's responsibility to remove him. Anything else would be total disrespect of the principle of separation of powers on which Atlasia is based.
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