Map Request: RINO-Free "Pure" Republican Party

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I've been wanting to do this myself but can't devote the time to it right now.  Using the '08 (or other election) exit polls, what would happen if Limbaugh, Hannity, and Toomey got their way and all moderate Republicans were purged from the Republican Party?  What would America look like if all of us RINOs decided that we would rather deal with the left-wing whackos than the right-wing ones?  How many EV's would Obama have gotten?  How many Democratic Senators would there be if all liberals and moderates voted together for the Dem candidate?

[jamestroll]

Don, you are my hero on this forum!

Perhaps the closest person to me ideologically.

[Ronnie]

Is this your primary goal in life, Don --  to attack the "right wing" of the Republican Party, rather than attacking the other party's platform and defending our own core principles?

If you want to complain to oblivion, why don't you just become an independent?  I'm getting sick of this, actually.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I'd be upset too if my party suddenly went batsh*t insane and we tried running ideologically pure far leftists and excluded anyone and everyone else out.

Your party is eating itself alive, so I don't think Don (he's certainly not one of my favorite posters by the way) is too wrong to wonder about this sort of thing.

By all means, keep Palinizing your party though, we appreciate the extra D's.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Is this your primary goal in life, Don Club for Growth --  to attack the "right moderate wing" of the Republican Party, rather than attacking the other party's platform and defending our own core principles?

Fixed.

If you want to complain to oblivion, why don't you just become an independent?  I'm getting sick of this, actually.

I'm getting quite sick of Obama having a free ride because we're engaging in a purity contest rather than providing an alternative vision for our country.

Oh - and Ronnie - I see you are a fellow free-trader.  Get used to being called a RINO because you don't support conspiracy theories about the "North American Union" or other such garbage.

[Ronnie]

Why can't Don just be Specter, and move out the of the party?

He should be defending our agenda, and perhaps make suggestions.  I complain about some of the Republicans' policies, but I don't start a thousand threads about it.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Why can't Don just be Specter, and move out the of the party?

He should be defending our agenda, and perhaps make suggestions.  I complain about some of the Republicans' policies, but I don't start a thousand threads about it.

Yeah I think that post is you guys' problem

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Why can't Don just be Specter, and move out the of the party?

Unlike Specter, I'm not willing to trade C4G and the like for DailyKos, DU, and other organizations that have turned Joe Lieberman into a pinyata.  Moderates are under attack in both parties.

He should be defending our agenda, and perhaps make suggestions.  I complain about some of the Republicans' policies, but I don't start a thousand threads about it.

What is our agenda, exactly?  Secession?  Tea-brewing?  Alternative ways of massively increasing the debt?  Calling Obama a socialist?  Calling Obama a fascist?  Calling Obama a Muslim?  That's the problem, WE HAVE NO AGENDA.  We should be leading and instead we are pissing all over ourselves trying to do whatever Rush Limbaugh tells us to do.  We should be presenting an alternative but a very large portion of our party is busy attacking a small minority trying to make it smaller.

I'm posting on this thread because I can't shoot people.  I'm posting on this thread because I can't start a revolution.  I'm posting on this thread because I don't have one of those stress-relieving squishy balls.  I'm posting on this thread because I love my country, because I am committed to my Party, and because I am in tears for what we are doing.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

If you give Obama 100% of moderates, this is the map:

[bullmoose88]

Being melodramatic is no more valid as a tactic for our side as it is theirs, Don.


In the words of Arnold Schwartzenegger's Dr. Freeze...

Chill.

[Rowan]

"Moderates" are just liberals who don't want the stigma of the "liberal" tag.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Being melodramatic is no more valid as a tactic for our side as it is theirs, Don.


In the words of Arnold Schwartzenegger's Dr. Freeze...

Chill.

Now now, you should know that we can't listen to "RINOs" like Arnold.... (one of the people that the right-wing wants to become a Dem)

[Keystone Phil]

Don has proven to be the worst joke on the forum recently. He contributes nothing these days. He moans and moans and moans...and blatantly twists what many of us say about RINOs. RINOs are not moderates, moderates are not RINOs. Stop saying that we're trying to purge the party, Don. We want lying, opportunistic scum like Specter out because they aren't really Republicans, they don't care about the party at all and stab us in the back every chance they get.

It's gotten so bad that once I saw this thread, I thought it was actually a parody.

Get over yourself, Don. Enough with this silly crusade you're waging.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

"Moderates" are just liberals who don't want the stigma of the "liberal" tag.

Do you really believe that?

[RIP Robert H Bork]

"Moderates" are just liberals who don't want the stigma of the "liberal" tag.

Exactly.

[Marokai Backbeat]

"Moderates" are just liberals who don't want the stigma of the "liberal" tag.

Exactly.

^^^^

The leadership of the Republican Party.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

C'mon Phil.  You've seen the posts of Officepark and Rowan above - do you agree with them or not?

[Landslide Lyndon]

"Moderates" are just liberals who don't want the stigma of the "liberal" tag.

Now that was insightful and thought-provoking political analysis ...NOT.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

And thank you benconstine for actually answering the question.

Is this the country you want Officepark?  Rowan?  If all moderates voted Democrat, because we forced out of "your" party, this is what America looks like.  Get it?

[Keystone Phil]

C'mon Phil.  You've seen the posts of Officepark and Rowan above - do you agree with them or not?

I think they're trying to bait you, my friend. 

Please note that Rowan supported Specter and flipped out on me after (wrongly) accusing me of always supporting the most far right wing candidate in GOP primaries (he thought I supported Lonegan in NJ).

[Keystone Phil]

Oh - and Ronnie - I see you are a fellow free-trader.  Get used to being called a RINO because you don't support conspiracy theories about the "North American Union" or other such garbage.

LOL

This one is the best. Do you think Toomey isn't a Free Trader, Don?

[Ronnie]

Why can't Don just be Specter, and move out the of the party?

He should be defending our agenda, and perhaps make suggestions.  I complain about some of the Republicans' policies, but I don't start a thousand threads about it.

Yeah I think that post is you guys' problem

If there was a Democrat who constantly attacked your party, you would get annoyed as well.

[Torie]

Parties are coalitions of folks, many of whom you don't really like that much. That's life. Having said that, the coalition is under considerable strain. and If the Dems can manage not to F up the economy too bad, and not push up tax rates too much, and not push to unionize everyone who works for someone else as it were via undemocratic methods, than of course, internal dislikes will fade in importance. But there is a substantial "risk" that that will not happen.

Anyway, the GOP can't win if it loses most of the secular upper middle class, and young folks who think the GOP is filled with grumpy old school vice principal types.  At least the GOP cannot win without offsets to the erosion from elsewhere?  Where might those offsets come from?

[Keystone Phil]

By the way, just to answer Don's question...

OMG DEM PREZ CANDIDATE - 535    GOP/FASCIST PARTY - 3 (WE STILL GET UTAH!)

U.S. SENATE - 94 DEMS
                    - 5 INDEPENDENTS
                    - 1 REPUBLICAN (PROB FROM OKLAHOMA OR UTAH)

U.S. HOUSE - CLEAN SWEEP FOR THE D'S



That's exactly what he's asking for here.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I think they're trying to bait you, my friend. 

Do you deny that there is a large and growing segment of our Party that, under the influence of the echo chamber of talk radio, wants for our party to be solely conservative with no room for moderates or moderation of what they define as orthodox "conservative" ideology?

This one is the best. Do you think Toomey isn't a Free Trader, Don?

Toomey, to his credit, is very much a free trader.  Today's conservative hero is tomorrow's RINO.  If you think I'm wrong, see Bob Dole and Barry Goldwater.  There are a lot of isolationists that feel emboldened and you will find more and more opposition to our bedrock free-trade principles.