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Question: So, what do you think?
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We will change nothing
 
#2
We will change a few technical things
 
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Will we change big things but remaining on the same economical base (capitalism)
 
#4
Will we be forced to bury the capitalistic system and to invent some new economical ways
 
#5
Others, what?
 
#6
I don't know
 
#7
I don't care
 
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Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]
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« on: April 29, 2009, 12:22:33 PM »

So, what do you think? What will result of this crisis? What will be the consequences on the economics on the more or less long term?

Will we change nothing?
Will we just change a few technical things?
Will we change big things but remaining on the same economical base (capitalism)?
Will we be forced to bury the capitalistic system and to invent some new economical ways?

Any ideas on the question? Any will to express them?

You're welcome.
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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2009, 12:29:05 PM »

If I could have made 2 questions I would have added the same one with what do you "hope" instead of "think".

I hope on the very long term we would totally change of system, and I can't stop thinking about what could be possible.

And I think that this would definitively fall one day, but, even with this crisis I think it could take a lot of time, before being step by step replaced.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2009, 07:33:59 PM »

Just one comment: make the question clear. "Economics" is a branch of knowledge. Obviously, empirical observation of this crisis will aid its development. I believe, you want to talk about the economy, though.
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2009, 09:36:00 PM »

Just saying "capitalism" in this sense doesn't really mean much.

Is there a sucessful alternative to a market economy? If so, it's not one that's already been attempted. Will there still be redistribution by governments? Of course.

The types of government programs will evolve, things will fluctuate, but no sucessful alternative to Democracy and Capitalism has yet been devised.
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2009, 10:08:15 PM »
« Edited: April 29, 2009, 10:12:11 PM by Frodo »

Option 3, in all likelihood.  At this point in time, no one is in a position to fully comprehend the political and economic repercussions of a recession of this severity, duration, and scope.  However, based on the Great Depression and its legacy, I think it perfectly reasonable to assume that we are likely to see changes in our economy nearly as profound as that which occurred in the waning days of the Great Depression.  Capitalism (in the United States) will continue as the fundamental building block of wealth and source of innovation, but it will be tempered with increased federal regulations, taxes, and revitalized labor unions (if the EFCA passes within the next couple of years -and I am cautiously optimistic that it can and will reach President Obama's desk in more or less the same form when it was first introduced this year). 

Also, the economy will take on a permanently green cast, with businesses increasingly catering not just to consumers' environmental sensitivities but also to governmental mandates. 
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2009, 10:22:15 PM »

I take the OPs question to mean, "Will there be a system to replace a "failed" Monetarism in the same way Monetarism replaced Keynesianism in the 1970s?"

I say: Not especially likely. China and the EU support economic liberalization, free trade, and balanced budgets too strongly to return to something resembling old pump-priming Keynesianism or anything resembling neo-mercantilism with protectionist trade barriers and import tariffs. The regulations they will inevitably impose will not have a specific ideological basis other than to keep the current system running as long as possible.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 10:45:59 AM »
« Edited: April 30, 2009, 02:28:40 PM by Benedict »

Just one comment: make the question clear. "Economics" is a branch of knowledge. Obviously, empirical observation of this crisis will aid its development. I believe, you want to talk about the economy, though.

Thanks for this comment. Actually I hesitated between both and I took "economics" because I thought the term was more accurate to speak of the systems, the mechanics of the economical systems, and I thought "economy" was more accurate to speak about a situation like "the economy of France", the "economy of car industry". In France we use the same word "économie" for all cases. In short I used "economics" to speak from an abstract point of view, when I would use "economy" to speak from a concrete point of view. Correct me if I'm wrong.

So, my question might remain a bit ambiguous by the fact I tied it to the crisis and its results, so the short term, when meanwhile I wonder on the long term. It's because I tend to think that this crisis could be one of the thing that would participate to sign the death act of capitalism, I might be wrong but that's what I tend to think.

Then, by capitalism, and tell me if you think I'm wrong, I mean the fact that the economy and the value we give to all the things (products, work, money) only turns around "supply" and "demand", all the economical values and all the working of our economic system are based on the interaction between both.

A system which seems to have some limits if we consider what it can leads to concerning its excesses and the consequences on the other aspects of the human being. And I think that this system could no more work now it has broken, for times and times now, a lot of moral values, I think we have been too far with it, we couldn't fairly manage it in the future anymore, IMO anyway.

So if we envisage the death of that system, the question would be how giving a value to the things, can we overcome the supply/demand system, to find something still better, something strong with good and productive perspectives on the long term?

I think that by the economical question, we also ask the question of the working of a human society in general, of how we exchange together, and so, overall, on which principles do we base the working of our society, of our life. For example that might not be a random if Islam carried with itself trade rules, trade rules which permitted a good development of Muslim societies, and the study of "Islamical finances" are trendy in colleges nowadays. I take the example of Islam because it is the more clear one, but I'm sure we can find references in Christianity or else that would give an orientation to human exchanges and so to economical rules.

The fact that meanwhile the epoch shows more and more spiritual needs in part because of moral challenges, and that IMO the spiritualities which stood until now won't be able to answer these needs, if economical rules effectively depends of spiritual ones, all of this goes in the sens that we will have to face a deep renewing of economical rules in the future.

Anyway, I may should have organized my question in 2 parts:

1st part:
Which results do you think this crisis will have on the short term on mechanisms of economy (economics?). Some already answered to this question here by their interventions.

2nd part:
What, according to you, will be the future of mechanisms of economy (economics?) on the more long term?

Just changes within capitalism, even if big changes? And which changes?
Or, death of capitalism step by step replaced by some new economical ways, and which ones?

Still if some have ideas about it and the will to share...
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 10:50:57 AM »

Well I'm hoping for #3 (the 'big thing' being health care obviously), but #2 is quite likely as well.  Of course we cannot leave capitalism behind without massive bloodletting, so I doubt that will ever occur.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2009, 11:07:47 AM »

I see at least I'm not the only one to envisage a collapse of capitalism, poll says

I may have plumbed the topic by inserting the religious aspect, but well, it was mainly to point out the fact that our economic rules are based on our life rules, and religions are very important concerning this. That said not only, the western secularism overcame the religious borders, and as an other example the will of creation of a new human being by socialism/communism shew it...

And thus, when we think to the future of economic systems, we have to think to the future of human social systems...
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