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« on: April 14, 2009, 08:51:57 AM »

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ajft4LIOq7bQ&refer=home

U.S. Producer Prices Fall in March; Core Unchanged

By Shobhana Chandra

April 14 (Bloomberg) -- Prices paid to U.S. producers unexpectedly fell in March after two months of gains, indicating the recession is keeping inflation under control.

The 1.2 percent decrease followed a 0.1 percent gain in February, figures from the Labor Department showed today in Washington. Excluding fuel and food, so-called core prices were unchanged. Over the last 12 months, wholesale expenses fell by the most in almost six decades.

Inflation is expected to stay in check partly because the global downturn has kept a lid on the cost of fuel and other commodities. Economists and some Federal Reserve policy makers have expressed concern about deflation, an extended drop in prices, which erodes profits, makes debts harder to repay and can cause consumers and businesses to delay purchases.

“We’re not likely to see upward pressure on prices, the risk is in the opposite direction,” Michael Moran, chief economist at Daiwa Securities America Inc. in New York, said before the report. “The near-term outlook is favorable for inflation” to remain tame, he said.

Another government report today showed retail sales in the U.S. unexpectedly fell in March as soaring job losses forced consumers to pull back. The 1.1 percent decrease followed a 0.3 percent gain in February that was stronger than previously estimated, the Commerce Department said today in Washington. Auto dealers, electronics stores and restaurants led the decline.

Economists’ Estimates

Prices paid to factories, farmers and other producers were forecast to remain unchanged in March, according to the median estimate of 71 economists in a Bloomberg survey. Estimates ranged from a decline of 0.8 percent to a gain of 1 percent.

Prices excluding food and fuel were estimated to rise 0.1 percent after increasing 0.2 percent the prior month.

Companies paid 3.5 percent less for goods in the 12 months ended in March, the biggest drop since January 1950, after a 1.3 percent year-over-year drop the prior month. Excluding food and energy, prices increased 3.8 percent from a year earlier, following a 4 percent gain the prior month.

Producer prices are one of three monthly inflation gauges reported by Labor. Prices of goods imported into the U.S. rose in March for the first time in eight months, the department said on April 9. The import-price index increased 0.5 percent on a jump in petroleum costs, after a revised 0.1 percent decline in February. Excluding energy, prices fell 0.7 percent.

Oil Prices

Crude oil on the New York Mercantile Exchange, which surged to a record $147.27 a barrel in July, had plunged by more than 70 percent toward the end of the year. Oil prices, while climbing because of cuts to production rates, have averaged about $50 so far this month.

The global recession has cut into demand for other goods, making it hard for companies to raise prices and helping contain inflation as the Fed keeps its attention on unfreezing credit and helping to bolster the economy.

A Labor report tomorrow may show the cost-of-living index fell 0.1 percent in the 12 months ended March, the first year- over-year drop since 1955, according to the Bloomberg survey.

“Inflation will remain subdued,” the Fed said in its March 18 policy statement. The central bank has lowered its key interest rate to near zero and is flooding the market with cash to spur borrowing and spending and help pull the economy out of the slump.

Some Fed policy makers have said they are more worried about a sustained drop in prices.

Deflation Worries

“For some time to come, disinflation, and even deflation, will represent greater risks than inflation,” San Francisco Fed President Janet Yellen said in a speech on March 25.

In today’s report, the drop in wholesale prices was led by a 5.5 percent decline in energy. The cost of gasoline and home heating oil each fell by 13 percent. Food became 0.7 percent cheaper.

Costs of intermediate goods, those used in earlier stages of production, declined 1.5 percent in March after dropping 0.9 percent in the prior month, today’s figures showed. Prices for raw materials, or so-called crude goods, fell 0.3 percent.

Nucor Corp., the largest U.S. steelmaker by market value, on March 17 revised its first-quarter forecast from a profit to a loss because of lower-than-expected demand. Steel prices have plunged by more than half from a record in July, prompting production cuts at the world’s largest producers of the metal, including Nucor and Nippon Steel Corp.

“The unprecedented speed and magnitude of the global economy’s decline to depressed levels not seen in our lifetime have presented severe challenges in 2009,” Nucor Chief Executive Officer Dan DiMicco said in a statement. “The economy has fallen off a cliff, and there is no visibility as to the timing of the recovery.”

Prices for capital equipment fell 0.2 percent, and consumer goods prices dropped 1.5 percent, the report showed.
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2009, 01:17:05 PM »

When will the "deflation" end, and the inflation begin with all that printed currency I wonder?  When will our creditors start charging us higher real interest rates?  When will this game of musical chairs end?
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2009, 03:55:19 PM »

Once the economy recovers, and demand for oil returns (or even the expectation of return of demand), oil prices will skyrocket back up and be a chief driver of inflation.  Out of the frying pan and into the fire, which is why our spending efforts now must certainly be green-oriented.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2009, 03:59:10 PM »

Excluding fuel and food, so-called core prices were unchanged.

sorry to disagree, but that's not deflation
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2009, 08:50:40 PM »

When will the "deflation" end, and the inflation begin with all that printed currency I wonder?  When will our creditors start charging us higher real interest rates?  When will this game of musical chairs end?

'Inflation' can only occur if there is an increase in the money chasing the goods/services.  We currently see most money 'idle' - being 'saved' - so replacing it with printed money doesn't cause any inflation.  Also currently there is enormous slack in the productive capacity - 20% unemployment, etc.  So we are very, very far from inflation.

Also how can 'our creditors' charge us higher real interest rates?  The 'debt' is denominated in dollars, which we print at will.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2009, 09:02:17 PM »

Many prices are up 1% here this month. Of course that's thanks to the temporary 1% increase in the sales tax.
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2009, 04:28:45 AM »

Deflation is minus inflation right?
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2009, 10:48:10 AM »

Many prices are up 1% here this month. Of course that's thanks to the temporary 1% increase in the sales tax.

True.

However, most price increases generally are occurring through companies attempting to keep up their margins in the face of collapsing demand.
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 09:55:15 PM »

Many prices are up 1% here this month. Of course that's thanks to the temporary 1% increase in the sales tax.

True.

However, most price increases generally are occurring through companies attempting to keep up their margins in the face of collapsing demand.

True. Hence the need for demand-side economics to help pump up said demand.

The potential danger of that is usually inflation, but as the article states, we don't have to worry about that at the moment.
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2009, 07:07:54 AM »

When will the "deflation" end, and the inflation begin with all that printed currency I wonder?  When will our creditors start charging us higher real interest rates?  When will this game of musical chairs end?

The money being pumped into the economy is intended to prevent deflation more rapid than it might be, and to prevent a situation in which people are paid in kind rather than in cash wages (work here and we will give you rice, beans, a little canned meat, and a cold-water apartment -- the norm characteristic of a plantation, a company mining town as in Sixteen Tons, or the Soviet Union in the bad old days).

Interest less inflation (or added to deflation) is the real interest rate. If one has a nominal interest rate of 10% and inflation at 7%, then the real interest rate is 3% (and might not cover income taxes on the nominal income -- which suggests that the Japanese are wise to not tax interest income). If the nominal interest rate is 3% and the deflation rate 7%, then a creditor is getting a real return of 10%.

Consider some of the exorbitant interest rates now charged on credit cards -- default rates in the 30% area (which doesn't even account for over-the-limit fees and late fees): anyone stuck with these rates in a time of rapid deflation has many choices: default is one of them, and various forms of suicide are the others. Maybe the creditors must find ways to protect their capital by gouging those who can still meet some payments.

We got ourselves into this mess by voting for people who backed those who offered debt as a surrogate for real pay. Real wages have been in decline in America for about a quarter century, and only now does reality strike -- hard.

The game may end when Americans recognize that there is nothing special about American wages. 
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