An African-American (R) Candidate is Bennet's First Opponent

[Lunar]

How does that explain Frazier winning a straw-poll among conservative activists in a conservative county?

http://slapstickpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/03/colorado-2010-us-senate-race-update_30.html



Anyway, CO GOP's problem is the lack of feasible candidates, not the shunning of them and pushing for a "true conservative" like PA, at least that's how I think of it.  We'll see, Frazier is getting some serious encouragement from somebody higher up.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Is Frazier really a moderate?
Since when moderates are talking so lightly about socialism and are invoking the ''boogeyman'' of the European Union?

[Smash255]

Is Frazier really a moderate?
Since when moderates are talking so lightly about socialism and are invoking the ''boogeyman'' of the European Union?

By Colorado Republican standards he is, by normal standards he isn't.

[Lunar]

Is Frazier really a moderate?
Since when moderates are talking so lightly about socialism and are invoking the ''boogeyman'' of the European Union?

He's not a economic moderate.  He championed [not just supported] a ballot initiative to get gays civil unions and also isn't sure if the government should outlaw abortion.

[Keystone Phil]

He's not a economic moderate.  He championed [not just supported] a ballot initiative to get gays civil unions and also isn't sure if the government should outlaw abortion.

I guess those are more moderate views but that wouldn't make him an overall moderate. I would probably strongly support a ballot initiative giving gays civil unions. I might not dedicated most of my time/energy to it but I'd certainly strongly defend it.

[Lunar]

Well, he worked his hardest to make that happen.  He has moderate views regarding a few of the issues that have scared away a lot of suburban Coloradan independents from the GOP.  I don't think I've ever said he was a centrist.

[Smash255]

Well, he worked his hardest to make that happen.  He has moderate views regarding a few of the issues that have scared away a lot of suburban Coloradan independents from the GOP.  I don't think I've ever said he was a centrist.

Which is the exact reason he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning a Primary.

[Lunar]

We'll see.  There isn't really anyone else out there, just some pipsqueak attorneys.  If the money flows into Frazier's primary race, as such money might be doing for an electable, young, pro-business, Republican minority, things can happen.  Some Republican financial backers are interested in seeing the party move into the future, and there really isn't anybody else.

If Tancredo got into the race, which he won't, then you might be right or whatever.   I strongly disagree with the notion that he has no chance at the primary. 

[Ebowed]

I hate the fact that being unwilling to take a stand on an issue is seen as a sign of moderatism / pragmatism.

[Lunar]

I hate the fact that being unwilling to take a stand on an issue is seen as a sign of moderatism / pragmatism.

How so?  In admitting that issues aren't black and white or in the Tedisco sense?

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

He's not a economic moderate.  He championed [not just supported] a ballot initiative to get gays civil unions and also isn't sure if the government should outlaw abortion.

I guess those are more moderate views but that wouldn't make him an overall moderate. I would probably strongly support a ballot initiative giving gays civil unions. I might not dedicated most of my time/energy to it but I'd certainly strongly defend it.

Can he count on Club for Growth support?  If so, I'll praise them highly for it.

[Keystone Phil]

He's not a economic moderate.  He championed [not just supported] a ballot initiative to get gays civil unions and also isn't sure if the government should outlaw abortion.

I guess those are more moderate views but that wouldn't make him an overall moderate. I would probably strongly support a ballot initiative giving gays civil unions. I might not dedicated most of my time/energy to it but I'd certainly strongly defend it.

Can he count on Club for Growth support?  If so, I'll praise them highly for it.

Do you add anything else to the forum, Don? Honestly, it's gotten old now. We get the point.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

He's not a economic moderate.  He championed [not just supported] a ballot initiative to get gays civil unions and also isn't sure if the government should outlaw abortion.

I guess those are more moderate views but that wouldn't make him an overall moderate. I would probably strongly support a ballot initiative giving gays civil unions. I might not dedicated most of my time/energy to it but I'd certainly strongly defend it.

Can he count on Club for Growth support?  If so, I'll praise them highly for it.

Do you add anything else to the forum, Don? Honestly, it's gotten old now. We get the point.

When the Club for Growth stops dismantling the Republican Party limb-by-limb, I will stop pointing out their destructive actions.

[Keystone Phil]

He's not a economic moderate.  He championed [not just supported] a ballot initiative to get gays civil unions and also isn't sure if the government should outlaw abortion.

I guess those are more moderate views but that wouldn't make him an overall moderate. I would probably strongly support a ballot initiative giving gays civil unions. I might not dedicated most of my time/energy to it but I'd certainly strongly defend it.

Can he count on Club for Growth support?  If so, I'll praise them highly for it.

Do you add anything else to the forum, Don? Honestly, it's gotten old now. We get the point.

When the Club for Growth stops dismantling the Republican Party limb-by-limb, I will stop pointing out their destructive actions.

Don, go cry someone else a river and stop being such a damn hypocrite.

CLUB 4 GROWTH = TEH GREAT SATAN

Specter, Chafee, etc. = Eh, well, er....um....

Your pals are consistently exposed as RINOs that directly stick it to the party and when you are pressed for a response, well, you suddenly disappear. Not a peep out of you when Arlen rumored switching parties.

You're a one trick pony, my friend, and the show has gotten old.

[Lunar]

This thread has nothing to do with the CfG until they start getting interested in those no-name attorneys.  They don't have an infinite amount of money and Frazier is as pro-business as you can get as of now [he militantly tried to get some anti-labor/pro-business reforms in Colorado and wants a Constitutional Amendment requiring a balanced budget, etc].  Now, in Nevada, it'd be interesting to bring them up because the only Republican in the race against Reid right now is a ridiculous former CfGer. 

moving on, this isn't the place to talk about Count Chocula.

[Keystone Phil]

moving on, this isn't the place to talk about Count Chocula

Exactly. That's why I asked Don to stop constantly whining about the Club.

[Ebowed]

I hate the fact that being unwilling to take a stand on an issue is seen as a sign of moderatism / pragmatism.

How so?  In admitting that issues aren't black and white or in the Tedisco sense?

In the Tedisco sense.  I would admit that abortion isn't black and white.  What I am disputing here is that because this fellow refuses to take a stand on the issue, it makes him a moderate.  The Tedisco comparison is a good one, really.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

He's not a economic moderate.  He championed [not just supported] a ballot initiative to get gays civil unions and also isn't sure if the government should outlaw abortion.

I guess those are more moderate views but that wouldn't make him an overall moderate. I would probably strongly support a ballot initiative giving gays civil unions. I might not dedicated most of my time/energy to it but I'd certainly strongly defend it.

Can he count on Club for Growth support?  If so, I'll praise them highly for it.

Do you add anything else to the forum, Don? Honestly, it's gotten old now. We get the point.

When the Club for Growth stops dismantling the Republican Party limb-by-limb, I will stop pointing out their destructive actions.

Don, go cry someone else a river and stop being such a damn hypocrite.

CLUB 4 GROWTH = TEH GREAT SATAN

Specter, Chafee, etc. = Eh, well, er....um....

Your pals are consistently exposed as RINOs that directly stick it to the party and when you are pressed for a response, well, you suddenly disappear. Not a peep out of you when Arlen rumored switching parties.

You're a one trick pony, my friend, and the show has gotten old.

Its amazing how you you expect loyalty out of those who you beat to a pulp.  

Obviously, any hint of party-switching by a moderate Republican does damage to those of us who are loyal to the idea of a mainstream, sane, sensible, responsible, conservative party in our country.  A number of moderates have been offered the temptation to bolt for seemingly greener pastures where they can exercise their principles and conscience - only to find that the left-wing vultures are just as ferocious and evil as the right-wing ones.  Arlen Specter has, so far, resisted this temptation, and may sacrifice his career of public service to the citizens of Pennsylvania for it.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I hate the fact that being unwilling to take a stand on an issue is seen as a sign of moderatism / pragmatism.

How so?  In admitting that issues aren't black and white or in the Tedisco sense?

In the Tedisco sense.  I would admit that abortion isn't black and white.  What I am disputing here is that because this fellow refuses to take a stand on the issue, it makes him a moderate.  The Tedisco comparison is a good one, really.

Most issues do not have only two sides.  There are many angles, many approaches, and many perspectives.  The world is neither black, nor white... moderates recognize that the world is mostly blue with some green spots and see the world in its true and dazzling color.

[Keystone Phil]

Its amazing how you you expect loyalty out of those who you beat to a pulp.

Haha, always an excuse, Don. Always. Never admitting when your little heroes make mistakes. Never. You love that handringing, my friend.  

Specter has stuck it to this party for decades and you refuse to acknowledge it. It's sad. When you're backed into a corner about "Kerry and Specter for Working Families," you run away. You addressed it once, saying you actually didn't mind it. You got beat up on that one and called out as a hypocrite and haven't touched it since. Yes, Don, you want to talk about the Club helping Dems yet you excuse people like Chafee, Specter, Schwarz, Gilchrist, etc. directly help them! Hypocrisy of the highest order! The Club stands on principle, Don. You and yours stand as sore losers and whiners. You're the first to blame conservatives when we lose and the first to take credit when we win.

I do personally like you, Don, but you're the worst kind of opportunist. It's sad.

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Yeah, that's exactly what it's about.  

Arlen Specter is all about Arlen Specter. Plain and simple. Everyone is realizing it now. He miscalculated this one, pal, and now everyone can't stand him.

Do us a favor, Don, and stop playing the Moderate Hero game. You've been exposed. Oh, and stop acting like Mr. Pragmatist, too, since that's been exposed as a joke as well (see OK, AK and SC 2004).

As Lunar suggested, take your comments about the Club elsewhere. Stop hijacking every thread to do your pouting. Make your own thread, post your complaints and be done with it.

[Lunar]

so, Colorado's a pretty square state, isn't it?

[Lunar]

so, Colorado's a pretty square state, isn't it?

Why, yes it is.  Fascinating.  I hear Bennet has an opponent already, what's up with 'dat?

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Specter has stuck it to this party for decades and you refuse to acknowledge it. It's sad. When you're backed into a corner about "Kerry and Specter for Working Families," you run away. You addressed it once, saying you actually didn't mind it.

So let me get this straight... I "ran away" from a question that I answered comprehensively.  How many times am I required to answer a question before it meets your high standards for satisfaction?

As Lunar suggested, take your comments about the Club elsewhere. Stop hijacking every thread to do your pouting. Make your own thread, post your complaints and be done with it.

I posted something about the Club as there were posts in this thread about whether or not Mr. Frazier was a centrist or not.  There is no doubt that your friend Pat's old organization is extremely effective and can derail any principled and responsible individual who seeks a Republican nomination.  Obviously if Mr. Frazier were to show any independence from the Economic libertarian/Social fascist crowd, he would be immediately deemed to be a RINO, etc.

[Keystone Phil]

So let me get this straight... I "ran away" from a question that I answered comprehensively.  How many times am I required to answer a question before it meets your high standards for satisfaction?

"Answered comprehensively?" Hardly. When it was brought to your attention that your excuse was totally hypocritical, you ignored it and continue to do so. If Toomey put out, "Toomey and Kerry for Working Families" signs, you'd have a field day.

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Haha, yes, they derail "any principled and responsible individual."

Don, honestly, get a clue before you comment on these things. To throw around the term fascist is even below your pitiful levels of "debate."

I think this problem is probably a little more personal with you. The Club must have shown up to one of your events and made you cry about something. Did Pat refuse to take a picture with you or something?

[Ebowed]

I hate the fact that being unwilling to take a stand on an issue is seen as a sign of moderatism / pragmatism.

How so?  In admitting that issues aren't black and white or in the Tedisco sense?

In the Tedisco sense.  I would admit that abortion isn't black and white.  What I am disputing here is that because this fellow refuses to take a stand on the issue, it makes him a moderate.  The Tedisco comparison is a good one, really.

Most issues do not have only two sides.  There are many angles, many approaches, and many perspectives.  The world is neither black, nor white... moderates recognize that the world is mostly blue with some green spots and see the world in its true and dazzling color.

But I specifically acknowledged that the issues aren't black and white.

The key problem here is that this candidate outright refuses to take a position on the issue - whether it be a liberal, moderate, or conservative position.