Smid's Diplomacy Game Thread #2

[Lunar]

My Austrian friend, he had to choose whether to defend Trieste or Budapest....

no coinflips going on with Turkey at the moment, don't worry

[Јas]

My Austrian friend, he had to choose whether to defend Trieste or Budapest....

Sorry, thought you meant the game generally.
Though I suppose, it amounts to much the same thing.

[ilikeverin]

Good game while it lasted (apart from the early rounds).

Although Muon, I don't believe your ridiculous story about my support failing, the supported unit's order not matching support given, or not being able to retreat and having my unit destroyed.

*hughughug*

[muon2]

Good game while it lasted (apart from the early rounds).

Although Muon, I don't believe your ridiculous story about my support failing, the supported unit's order not matching support given, or not being able to retreat and having my unit destroyed.

Technically, you aren't eliminated yet. You still hold a home supply center, so if for some reason Rome is vacated in the fall turn, you could rebuild there.

[Lunar]

wouldn't be crazy of me to take Naples and leave Italy in the game... 

it's not like I need another army and the game will probably end before anyone gets 18...haha, I did a good job at keeping Italy alive in the last game

[Јas]

it's not like I need another army and the game will probably end before anyone gets 18...

Silly Lunar...victory is at hand!

[Lunar]

edit out all of my smiley faces and haha's in order to make me look like a jackass, I see what your diplomatic strategy is sir!

[ilikeverin]

edit out all of my smiley faces and haha's in order to make me look like a jackass, I see what your diplomatic strategy is sir!

I knew I should've started a "Germany Supply Center Watch" earlier... oh well, only a matter of time before he goes public.

[minionofmidas]

wouldn't be crazy of me to take Naples and leave Italy in the game... 

By all means do.

[Lunar]

at least a 10% chance I will now that I'm challenged

[Јas]

I knew I should've started a "Germany Supply Center Watch" earlier... oh well, only a matter of time before he goes public.

Mmm...

Germany Supply Center Watch

German Centres, Spring 1913: 14
(Berlin, Kiel, Munich, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Edinburgh, London, St Petersburg, Warsaw, Moscow, Vienna, Rome)

Further centres required for outright win: 4

Soft Targets: Portugal, Brest, Liverpool, Belgium, Paris, Naples
Moderate Targets: Trieste, Budapest

[ilikeverin]

*hughughug*

[Lunar]

We disagree about what's soft

[Јas]

We disagree about what's soft

Well I'd love to compare lists

[Lunar]

Fine, even if I wanted Naples, it'd take me three turns at most to get it since I'd have to sacrifice Rome, which you've already included in my column

[muon2]

Moves for Fall 1913:



Austria:
F adr Supports A tri; Support cut by Move from Apulia.
A bud Supports A tri; Support cut by Move from Galicia.
A rum Supports A bud
A ser Supports A bud
A tri Supports A bud; Support cut by Move from Vienna. Dislodged from vie (3 against 1).

France:
F apu -> adr; Bounced with adr (1 against 1).
F lyo Holds; No order given. Hold order assigned.
F ion Supports F tys -> nap; Support cut by Move from Greece.
A mar -> pie
F pie -> tus
F spa/sc Holds; No order given. Hold order assigned.
F tun Supports F ion
F tys -> nap
A ven Supports A vie -> tri

Germany:
A boh -> vie
A gal -> bud; Bounced with bud (1 against 3).
F mao -> wes
A mos Supports A ukr
A mun -> boh
F naf Holds; No order given. Hold order assigned.
A rom Supports F tys -> nap
A sil -> gal; Failed because Germany: A gal -> bud failed.
A tyr Supports A vie -> tri
A ukr Supports A mos
A vie -> tri
A war Supports A sil -> gal
F wes -> tys

Italy:

Turkey:
F aeg -> eas
A arm Supports A sev
F bla Supports A rum
F gre -> ion; Bounced with ion (1 against 2).
F nap -> apu; Failed because France: F apu -> adr failed. Dislodged from tys (2 against 1). The Fleet in Naples cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
A sev Supports A rum

The position after moves is as follows. Austria must retreat or disband the Army in Trieste.

[Јas]

Oh dear...

Germany Supply Center Watch

German Centres, Autumn 1913: 15
(Berlin, Kiel, Munich, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Edinburgh, London, St Petersburg, Warsaw, Moscow, Vienna, Rome, Trieste)

Further centres required for outright win: 3

Soft Targets: Budapest, Tunis, Belgium, Paris, Brest
Moderate Targets:  Serbia, Rumania, Liverpool


I reiterate to France that if your objective is, as it appears, simply to facilitate a German victory, let us know and we can arrange that very quickly. There's no point playing out an inevitable that could take weeks when we could all enjoy getting a new game underway.

[Silent Hunter]

I predict a Germany victory by the end of 1915.

[Lunar]

Oh dear...

Germany Supply Center Watch

German Centres, Autumn 1913: 15
(Berlin, Kiel, Munich, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Edinburgh, London, St Petersburg, Warsaw, Moscow, Vienna, Rome, Trieste)

Further centres required for outright win: 3

Soft Targets: Budapest, Tunis, Belgium, Paris, Brest
Moderate Targets:  Serbia, Rumania, Liverpool


I reiterate to France that if your objective is, as it appears, simply to facilitate a German victory, let us know and we can arrange that very quickly. There's no point playing out an inevitable that could take weeks when we could all enjoy getting a new game underway.

A new game would make a certain amount of sense.

FYI It's cute that you keep listing French targets , almost hopefully , but clearly an end-of-game betrayal would make no sense on my part since I'll want people to have at least a basic amount of trust in me in the following game .  I've only made one stab in these two games [and have otherwise been ridiculously loyal], England of this game, and it was mostly such a powerful stab because I had already made agreements and England had switched players in the opening stages and I was presented with a once in a Diplomacy-time opportunity...but srsly, Liverpool?  It'd take me at least five turns to get a ship up there, raising questions for five weeks as to why I even built a ship let alone keep moving it towards France haha.

Muon, I'll be building two armies in Berlin and Munich once the build orders come around, for what it's worth.  So, minimum seven turns now for Liverpool and five for Brest.

If we do start a new game, I'd like to offer switching places with Gustaf if I'm able.

[muon2]

Oh dear...

Germany Supply Center Watch

German Centres, Autumn 1913: 15
(Berlin, Kiel, Munich, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Edinburgh, London, St Petersburg, Warsaw, Moscow, Vienna, Rome, Trieste)

Further centres required for outright win: 3

Soft Targets: Budapest, Tunis, Belgium, Paris, Brest
Moderate Targets:  Serbia, Rumania, Liverpool


I reiterate to France that if your objective is, as it appears, simply to facilitate a German victory, let us know and we can arrange that very quickly. There's no point playing out an inevitable that could take weeks when we could all enjoy getting a new game underway.

A new game would make a certain amount of sense.

FYI It's cute that you keep listing French targets , almost hopefully , but clearly an end-of-game betrayal would make no sense on my part since I'll want people to have at least a basic amount of trust in me in the following game .  I've only made one stab in these two games [and have otherwise been ridiculously loyal], England of this game, and it was mostly such a powerful stab because I had already made agreements and England had switched players in the opening stages and I was presented with a once in a Diplomacy-time opportunity...but srsly, Liverpool?  It'd take me at least five turns to get a ship up there, raising questions for five weeks as to why I even built a ship let alone keep moving it towards France haha.

Muon, I'll be building two armies in Berlin and Munich once the build orders come around, for what it's worth.  So, minimum seven turns now for Liverpool and five for Brest.

If we do start a new game, I'd like to offer switching places with Gustaf if I'm able.

If there is a discussion of the endgame there are only two options listed in the rulebook. One is to achieve 18 centers and the other is to declare a mutual draw with all powers with units on the board. A strict two player draw requires that both powers have exactly 17 centers under their control or have eliminated units for powers controlling any other center.

However, as noted, there is often interest in not prolonging an inevitable conclusion to a game. There are many house rules that allow surviving players to concede to one or more other players in alliance. I tend to favor such rules, but I would defer to Smid, since it is his game at the outset. If he also favors a resignation house rule, then that becomes a third option to end the game.

[Lunar]

I think if everyone agrees to something unanimously that there shouldn't be any problem for anything, if there is a single voice of discontent I think we should honor that

[minionofmidas]

There might be the option of quickening the rounds. A deadline tomorrow morning and another wednesday night. And of course of Austria and Turkey throwing it so that Lunar gets to 18 centers.


Or you just settle on a four-player draw. That's what I'd suggest.

[Lunar]

that seems like an artificial solution to something easy

[Smid]

Oh dear...

Germany Supply Center Watch

German Centres, Autumn 1913: 15
(Berlin, Kiel, Munich, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Edinburgh, London, St Petersburg, Warsaw, Moscow, Vienna, Rome, Trieste)

Further centres required for outright win: 3

Soft Targets: Budapest, Tunis, Belgium, Paris, Brest
Moderate Targets:  Serbia, Rumania, Liverpool


I reiterate to France that if your objective is, as it appears, simply to facilitate a German victory, let us know and we can arrange that very quickly. There's no point playing out an inevitable that could take weeks when we could all enjoy getting a new game underway.

A new game would make a certain amount of sense.

FYI It's cute that you keep listing French targets , almost hopefully , but clearly an end-of-game betrayal would make no sense on my part since I'll want people to have at least a basic amount of trust in me in the following game .  I've only made one stab in these two games [and have otherwise been ridiculously loyal], England of this game, and it was mostly such a powerful stab because I had already made agreements and England had switched players in the opening stages and I was presented with a once in a Diplomacy-time opportunity...but srsly, Liverpool?  It'd take me at least five turns to get a ship up there, raising questions for five weeks as to why I even built a ship let alone keep moving it towards France haha.

Muon, I'll be building two armies in Berlin and Munich once the build orders come around, for what it's worth.  So, minimum seven turns now for Liverpool and five for Brest.

If we do start a new game, I'd like to offer switching places with Gustaf if I'm able.

If there is a discussion of the endgame there are only two options listed in the rulebook. One is to achieve 18 centers and the other is to declare a mutual draw with all powers with units on the board. A strict two player draw requires that both powers have exactly 17 centers under their control or have eliminated units for powers controlling any other center.

However, as noted, there is often interest in not prolonging an inevitable conclusion to a game. There are many house rules that allow surviving players to concede to one or more other players in alliance. I tend to favor such rules, but I would defer to Smid, since it is his game at the outset. If he also favors a resignation house rule, then that becomes a third option to end the game.

In the interests of consistency, I'll look back at the last game and end-game discussions held then.

[Smid]

I think if everyone agrees to something unanimously that there shouldn't be any problem for anything, if there is a single voice of discontent I think we should honor that

I just read through half of the last game and couldn't find how we dealt with it. I think this was what we did though. I'm pretty sure I got everyone to PM their opinion of a draw and planned on resolving accordingly if there was a unanimous ballot, although not approving the draw if there was even one player opposed. That said, the starting order of the next game is based on the number of SCs of surviving players of this game (whether surviving in a draw or when one wins - the only difference is there is no winner to occupy the second position in the starting lineup if a draw has been declared), so a draw vs a win doesn't make much difference except for bragging rights.