Bist us dead?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I'm sorry I haven't been active enough recently in this game, but calling for our heads isn't going to solve everything.

I'll cut you some slack, Mr. NC Yank, because you are relatively new here. When the RPP, myself, DWTL and PiT took over, our region was dead. We had 1 person vote in our June elections. We did some unorthodox things, and we had a mini-revival in Atlasia over the summer. That lead to the SDP/RPP feud (mainly fueled by Xahar and others), the succession crisis which created opposition, and a very competitive election. I entered Atlasia to create some action. I did that. It was met with a lot of opposition, but it did fulfill my mission of generating some action. People have to learn that most people here don't care about silly make believe bills and crap like that. They want to see fun elections and wild speeches. The problem is the old guard wants to keep things the way they are and any attempt at change causes uproar. Now look where Atlasia is. No one really cares to do it. Soon, two of the most distinguished members in DWTL and Torie will be retiring from the senate. Where do we go from there? Attacking me, one who turned around a region and helped drive the activity from July - November is really silly, my friend. I admit I haven't been as active, but come on. Do you have any idea how horrible things were before I arrived?

Unfortunately, these things don't last forever. Many of us are in school and have many activities that take up our time. I'm in college at Wake and DWTL is in his last semester in high school. When there isn't much going on here, it is tough to remember to check this forum. When the bums were thrown out in December, this place did shut down. Perhaps when summer rolls around and I have more free time, I'll try to do some more things to generate action.

Andrew had a chance to really shake things up and bring in a whole new group of people, and what did he do? He chose a former President and Senator to be his VP rather than new blood. You're right. We keep having the same people run for these offices and the variety of candidates are dropping. Our choices in the next election seem to be between bgwah and another afleitch administration with Andrew heading it up. Where is the excitement in that? Count me as unenthusiastic. I agree with your premise, but there isn't much one person can do about it. I was lucky that SPC and DWTL were there early to go in with me to shake things up.

[jokerman]

I am not really sure if we can really accomplish a game in which people are really involved and elections are really interesting.

But that's how it used to be! For years!

If you really think about it now Atlasia's been in a drought longer than its been flourishing.  The golden era was from Jan 04 to roughly Feb. 06.  Some really fun elections and party dynamics in that two year span.  Since then we've been in a 3 year decline.

I wouldn't put all of the blame anywhere, really.  Ebowed, especially, doesn't deserve the blame.  I campaigned for John Ford and wanted him to win, but I made amends with Ebowed after his victory, and eventually joined the administration.  In fact if anything the disenchantment is Ford's fault, for dropping out with (IIRC) hrs. left to vote.  Certainly he had good reasons, but that is the reason he lost and drew away many great minds.

Now atlasia didn't immediately lose numbers at this point.  The problem came from the departure of the intellects and more non-ideological members associated with Ford and the arrival of extremely polarized and immature members.  I'm thinking especially of the JerusalemCar/EarlAW sham that turned the Senate into a laughing stock.  This influx of non-cooperative individualists really dealt the final blow to the crumbling party system, and alienated several newcomers.  None the less, people kept comming, but the lack of parties, communication, and community, has prevented the kind of bonds from forming that really power the game.

[Meeker]

In order for this game to work people need to devote a relatively large amount of time. It seems, in my opinion, that people aren't really willing to do that at the present moment (myself included).

I don't think there's too much of a problem with the system (although improvements could certainly be made which is why I proposed the Convention). I think the biggest problem, and the one that would most quickly re-energize the game, is people spending more time on it. Debate in the senate threads, give campaign speeches, start a newspaper, update the Wiki, etc. Do something.

And again, I fully recognize that I am just as guilty as anyone in this respect.

[Peter]

In my view we need another FEC - the FEC was all powerful in 2005 - whoever we wanted as President, we got, and we were certainly good at stirring the sh**t in other political spheres. The level of controversy this generated was amazing, and it was partly associated with where many of the founding posters were in their lives - late teens to early 20s. Sadly the interest of those posters waned and the FEC and the infamous Teamspeak died a natural death.

Who can ever forget the hilarity of Mike Naso being elected Senator over Nym - certainly it evoked contempt from the mainstay of the forum (and even with posters inside the Teamspeak clique), and whilst it certainly upped Al's drug consumption, it made people post in their incredulity.

[dead0man]

The problem is this is unnecessarily complicated and information is difficult to access.

DING DING DING!  I have no idea on how to fix it, but this has always been my biggest problem here.  I always thought it was just me and my apathy/lack of intelligence.

[Marokai Backbeat]

The problem is this is unnecessarily complicated and information is difficult to access.

DING DING DING!  I have no idea on how to fix it, but this has always been my biggest problem here.  I always thought it was just me and my apathy/lack of intelligence.

Atlasia makes me feel stupid sometimes too.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

If you really think about it now Atlasia's been in a drought longer than its been flourishing.

 

Good point actually. As is this:

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I suppose another problem is that there are no issues here anymore (other than "forum affairs" stuff, which only interests a distinct minority).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

In my view we need another FEC

You might be right about that, actually.

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lol

[Filuwaúrdjan]

In order for this game to work people need to devote a relatively large amount of time. It seems, in my opinion, that people aren't really willing to do that at the present moment (myself included).

The healthier the game is, the less time people need to devote to it, I think. Vicious cycle.

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Yes, this is the sort of thing that used to be common but doesn't really go on now. To an extent what we've seen is the death of civil society. Politics has continued anyway, but becomes increasingly meaningless.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The problem is this is unnecessarily complicated and information is difficult to access.

DING DING DING!  I have no idea on how to fix it, but this has always been my biggest problem here.  I always thought it was just me and my apathy/lack of intelligence.

Yeah, the problem of the vast bodies of rules, laws and so on that we've created has been obvious for a while, though nothing's ever really been done about it.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I need to think of something.  I thought the mini-secession crisis and my assembling of the RPP machine would revive this game, but that seemed to be only temporary.

[afleitch]

I need to think of something.  I thought the mini-secession crisis and my assembling of the RPP machine would revive this game, but that seemed to be only temporary.

I think it's been a relatively negative development in that it was short term and was 'exclusive' i.e it was a 'game within a game' which alienated as many people as it involved.

[minionofmidas]

Atlasia is dead.

[Verily]

Atlasia is dead.

Long live Atlasia!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm sorry I haven't been active enough recently in this game, but calling for our heads isn't going to solve everything.

I'll cut you some slack, Mr. NC Yank, because you are relatively new here. When the RPP, myself, DWTL and PiT took over, our region was dead. We had 1 person vote in our June elections. We did some unorthodox things, and we had a mini-revival in Atlasia over the summer. That lead to the SDP/RPP feud (mainly fueled by Xahar and others), the succession crisis which created opposition, and a very competitive election. I entered Atlasia to create some action. I did that. It was met with a lot of opposition, but it did fulfill my mission of generating some action. People have to learn that most people here don't care about silly make believe bills and crap like that. They want to see fun elections and wild speeches. The problem is the old guard wants to keep things the way they are and any attempt at change causes uproar. Now look where Atlasia is. No one really cares to do it. Soon, two of the most distinguished members in DWTL and Torie will be retiring from the senate.¹ Where do we go from there? Attacking me, one who turned around a region and helped drive the activity from July - November is really silly, my friend. I admit I haven't been as active, but come on. Do you have any idea how horrible things were before I arrived?

Unfortunately, these things don't last forever. Many of us are in school and have many activities that take up our time. I'm in college at Wake and DWTL is in his last semester in high school. When there isn't much going on here, it is tough to remember to check this forum. When the bums were thrown out in December, this place did shut down. Perhaps when summer rolls around and I have more free time, I'll try to do some more things to generate action.

Andrew had a chance to really shake things up and bring in a whole new group of people, and what did he do? He chose a former President and Senator to be his VP rather than new blood. You're right. We keep having the same people run for these offices and the variety of candidates are dropping. Our choices in the next election seem to be between bgwah and another afleitch administration with Andrew heading it up. Where is the excitement in that? Count me as unenthusiastic. I agree with your premise, but there isn't much one person can do about it. I was lucky that SPC and DWTL were there early to go in with me to shake things up.

I didn't call for you head, Duke. PiT misinterpreted what I said. I said that since RPP has a lot of strength in the Dirty South we should use it to test various solutions to problem. The RPP stands for regional power, right? Well what better way to advance that then to have solutions to the games problems come from the regional level. I would love to know how I called for your head when just one post later I was coming up with a ways to help you, should run for President in the next election.

I know your busy as hell, I am High School Junior and thanks to this state's stupid ideas I am going to have start there stupid Graduation project soon.

If anything I was just a little disappointed and felt the RPP was missing a golden opportunity, but calling for your head, absolutely not, my friend. I voted to reelect you and would gladly do so again. I know what you did this past summer at least as far back as July. My statement may not have been very respectfull or accurate but it was meant that way to attract attention. Something has to be done to fix this game and soon.

¹When did DWTL decide to retire? thats definately going to be big loss. The National Senate seats are up in April? or March?

[Associate Justice PiT]

I'm sorry I haven't been active enough recently in this game, but calling for our heads isn't going to solve everything.

I'll cut you some slack, Mr. NC Yank, because you are relatively new here. When the RPP, myself, DWTL and PiT took over, our region was dead. We had 1 person vote in our June elections. We did some unorthodox things, and we had a mini-revival in Atlasia over the summer. That lead to the SDP/RPP feud (mainly fueled by Xahar and others), the succession crisis which created opposition, and a very competitive election. I entered Atlasia to create some action. I did that. It was met with a lot of opposition, but it did fulfill my mission of generating some action. People have to learn that most people here don't care about silly make believe bills and crap like that. They want to see fun elections and wild speeches. The problem is the old guard wants to keep things the way they are and any attempt at change causes uproar. Now look where Atlasia is. No one really cares to do it. Soon, two of the most distinguished members in DWTL and Torie will be retiring from the senate.¹ Where do we go from there? Attacking me, one who turned around a region and helped drive the activity from July - November is really silly, my friend. I admit I haven't been as active, but come on. Do you have any idea how horrible things were before I arrived?

Unfortunately, these things don't last forever. Many of us are in school and have many activities that take up our time. I'm in college at Wake and DWTL is in his last semester in high school. When there isn't much going on here, it is tough to remember to check this forum. When the bums were thrown out in December, this place did shut down. Perhaps when summer rolls around and I have more free time, I'll try to do some more things to generate action.

Andrew had a chance to really shake things up and bring in a whole new group of people, and what did he do? He chose a former President and Senator to be his VP rather than new blood. You're right. We keep having the same people run for these offices and the variety of candidates are dropping. Our choices in the next election seem to be between bgwah and another afleitch administration with Andrew heading it up. Where is the excitement in that? Count me as unenthusiastic. I agree with your premise, but there isn't much one person can do about it. I was lucky that SPC and DWTL were there early to go in with me to shake things up.

I didn't call for you head, Duke. PiT misinterpreted what I said. I said that since RPP has a lot of strength in the Dirty South we should use it to test various solutions to problem. The RPP stands for regional power, right? Well what better way to advance that then to have solutions to the games problems come from the regional level. I would love to know how I called for your head when just one post later I was coming up with a ways to help you, should run for President in the next election.

I know your busy as hell, I am High School Junior and thanks to this state's stupid ideas I am going to have start there stupid Graduation project soon.

If anything I was just a little disappointed and felt the RPP was missing a golden opportunity, but calling for your head, absolutely not, my friend. I voted to reelect you and would gladly do so again. I know what you did this past summer at least as far back as July. My statement may not have been very respectfull or accurate but it was meant that way to attract attention. Something has to be done to fix this game and soon.

¹When did DWTL decide to retire? thats definately going to be big loss. The National Senate seats are up in April? or March?

    They're up in April.

    Also, one big issue I've noticed is that the Southeast is too young. I mean, you're a high school junior, DWTL & I are high school seniors, Duke & BK are in college. It seems everyone except Brandon & Dibble is still in school, which makes coordinating things hard since we don't have as much time as we might like. The Secession Crisis worked largely because it took place over the summer, when we had more free time to plan these sorts of things.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm sorry I haven't been active enough recently in this game, but calling for our heads isn't going to solve everything.

I'll cut you some slack, Mr. NC Yank, because you are relatively new here. When the RPP, myself, DWTL and PiT took over, our region was dead. We had 1 person vote in our June elections. We did some unorthodox things, and we had a mini-revival in Atlasia over the summer. That lead to the SDP/RPP feud (mainly fueled by Xahar and others), the succession crisis which created opposition, and a very competitive election. I entered Atlasia to create some action. I did that. It was met with a lot of opposition, but it did fulfill my mission of generating some action. People have to learn that most people here don't care about silly make believe bills and crap like that. They want to see fun elections and wild speeches. The problem is the old guard wants to keep things the way they are and any attempt at change causes uproar. Now look where Atlasia is. No one really cares to do it. Soon, two of the most distinguished members in DWTL and Torie will be retiring from the senate.¹ Where do we go from there? Attacking me, one who turned around a region and helped drive the activity from July - November is really silly, my friend. I admit I haven't been as active, but come on. Do you have any idea how horrible things were before I arrived?

Unfortunately, these things don't last forever. Many of us are in school and have many activities that take up our time. I'm in college at Wake and DWTL is in his last semester in high school. When there isn't much going on here, it is tough to remember to check this forum. When the bums were thrown out in December, this place did shut down. Perhaps when summer rolls around and I have more free time, I'll try to do some more things to generate action.

Andrew had a chance to really shake things up and bring in a whole new group of people, and what did he do? He chose a former President and Senator to be his VP rather than new blood. You're right. We keep having the same people run for these offices and the variety of candidates are dropping. Our choices in the next election seem to be between bgwah and another afleitch administration with Andrew heading it up. Where is the excitement in that? Count me as unenthusiastic. I agree with your premise, but there isn't much one person can do about it. I was lucky that SPC and DWTL were there early to go in with me to shake things up.

I didn't call for you head, Duke. PiT misinterpreted what I said. I said that since RPP has a lot of strength in the Dirty South we should use it to test various solutions to problem. The RPP stands for regional power, right? Well what better way to advance that then to have solutions to the games problems come from the regional level. I would love to know how I called for your head when just one post later I was coming up with a ways to help you, should run for President in the next election.

I know your busy as hell, I am High School Junior and thanks to this state's stupid ideas I am going to have start there stupid Graduation project soon.

If anything I was just a little disappointed and felt the RPP was missing a golden opportunity, but calling for your head, absolutely not, my friend. I voted to reelect you and would gladly do so again. I know what you did this past summer at least as far back as July. My statement may not have been very respectfull or accurate but it was meant that way to attract attention. Something has to be done to fix this game and soon.

¹When did DWTL decide to retire? thats definately going to be big loss. The National Senate seats are up in April? or March?

    They're up in April.

    Also, one big issue I've noticed is that the Southeast is too young. I mean, you're a high school junior, DWTL & I are high school seniors, Duke & BK are in college. It seems everyone except Brandon & Dibble is still in school, which makes coordinating things hard since we don't have as much time as we might like. The Secession Crisis worked largely because it took place over the summer, when we had more free time to plan these sorts of things.

Well that explains a lot. For some reason I assumed everyone on this forum was much older. Thats why at first I didn't disclose my age. Then with the Xahar and Ben thing in December I actually looked at some of forum members ages and realised that they weren't.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

NC Yank, no worries. I misinterpreted what you were saying about needing to change things around. If you or anyone else wants to run for governor under the RPP banner, I will gladly retire. I do want to run for President at some point, maybe even this cycle. Who knows.

We are a young region and that's why we have our ups and downs. I do what I can, but as others have said, when activity in Atlasia is low like it is now, it's hard to cause any activity without upsetting the old timers who are interested in the other aspects of this game. We can do it, as we showed over the summer. We will again, but it might take time. The fact that you want things to start happening is a good step. We need more people interested like you.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NC Yank, no worries. I misinterpreted what you were saying about needing to change things around. If you or anyone else wants to run for governor under the RPP banner, I will gladly retire. I do want to run for President at some point, maybe even this cycle. Who knows.

We are a young region and that's why we have our ups and downs. I do what I can, but as others have said, when activity in Atlasia is low like it is now, it's hard to cause any activity without upsetting the old timers who are interested in the other aspects of this game. We can do it, as we showed over the summer. We will again, but it might take time. The fact that you want things to start happening is a good step. We need more people interested like you.

I am absolutely un-qualified to be Governor right now. I would prefer to start out low and work my way up. Trouble is that in the Dirty South there are no lower positions. I think it would be wise for you to wait till the next cycle to run for President. Check the Candidate declaration thread and you will see that you running this cycle would be unwise. I am pretty certain that recent events have made Bgwah's relection less likely do to a recent declaration.

[Associate Justice PiT]

NC Yank, no worries. I misinterpreted what you were saying about needing to change things around. If you or anyone else wants to run for governor under the RPP banner, I will gladly retire. I do want to run for President at some point, maybe even this cycle. Who knows.

We are a young region and that's why we have our ups and downs. I do what I can, but as others have said, when activity in Atlasia is low like it is now, it's hard to cause any activity without upsetting the old timers who are interested in the other aspects of this game. We can do it, as we showed over the summer. We will again, but it might take time. The fact that you want things to start happening is a good step. We need more people interested like you.

I am absolutely un-qualified to be Governor right now. I would prefer to start out low and work my way up. Trouble is that in the Dirty South there are no lower positions. I think it would be wise for you to wait till the next cycle to run for President. Check the Candidate declaration thread and you will see that you running this cycle would be unwise. I am pretty certain that recent events have made Bgwah's relection less likely do to a recent declaration.

     There's Lt. Governor. If Duke runs for President, there's always the option of Daniel Adams running for a promotion to Governor & you running for his current office.

     I think a regional assembly would be a great idea though. People outside of the RPP would be able to hold some kind of office within the region.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NC Yank, no worries. I misinterpreted what you were saying about needing to change things around. If you or anyone else wants to run for governor under the RPP banner, I will gladly retire. I do want to run for President at some point, maybe even this cycle. Who knows.

We are a young region and that's why we have our ups and downs. I do what I can, but as others have said, when activity in Atlasia is low like it is now, it's hard to cause any activity without upsetting the old timers who are interested in the other aspects of this game. We can do it, as we showed over the summer. We will again, but it might take time. The fact that you want things to start happening is a good step. We need more people interested like you.

I am absolutely un-qualified to be Governor right now. I would prefer to start out low and work my way up. Trouble is that in the Dirty South there are no lower positions. I think it would be wise for you to wait till the next cycle to run for President. Check the Candidate declaration thread and you will see that you running this cycle would be unwise. I am pretty certain that recent events have made Bgwah's relection less likely do to a recent declaration.

     There's Lt. Governor. If Duke runs for President, there's always the option of Daniel Adams running for a promotion to Governor & you running for his current office.

     I think a regional assembly would be a great idea though. People outside of the RPP would be able to hold some kind of office within the region.

Yes I know about Dan. I wouldn't even want to run for Lt. Gov right now. If there was an Assembly I would run for that and then maybe maybe run for Speaker.

[Associate Justice PiT]

NC Yank, no worries. I misinterpreted what you were saying about needing to change things around. If you or anyone else wants to run for governor under the RPP banner, I will gladly retire. I do want to run for President at some point, maybe even this cycle. Who knows.

We are a young region and that's why we have our ups and downs. I do what I can, but as others have said, when activity in Atlasia is low like it is now, it's hard to cause any activity without upsetting the old timers who are interested in the other aspects of this game. We can do it, as we showed over the summer. We will again, but it might take time. The fact that you want things to start happening is a good step. We need more people interested like you.

I am absolutely un-qualified to be Governor right now. I would prefer to start out low and work my way up. Trouble is that in the Dirty South there are no lower positions. I think it would be wise for you to wait till the next cycle to run for President. Check the Candidate declaration thread and you will see that you running this cycle would be unwise. I am pretty certain that recent events have made Bgwah's relection less likely do to a recent declaration.

     There's Lt. Governor. If Duke runs for President, there's always the option of Daniel Adams running for a promotion to Governor & you running for his current office.

     I think a regional assembly would be a great idea though. People outside of the RPP would be able to hold some kind of office within the region.

Yes I know about Dan. I wouldn't even want to run for Lt. Gov right now. If there was an Assembly I would run for that and then maybe maybe run for Speaker.

     I guess someone should write up a proposition for a Mideast-style assembly.