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« on: February 13, 2009, 01:28:37 PM »
Yes.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 02:40:47 PM »
No, I don't see why they should be, but the government needs to make sure they fulfill all the duties that any state-run institution would have to.
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 02:57:34 PM »
     No, though they should run under the stipulations suggested by Franzl in combination with public ones being outlawed.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 02:58:13 PM »

Why?
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 02:58:21 PM »
Why should they be? I have no problem with the notion so long as they cost the state less and meet government regulations in terms of facilities and treatment of prisoners.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 03:01:39 PM »

     Maybe I am mistaken, but wouldn't it be cheaper for the government to just make sure that they treat their prisoners in a respectable fashion than it would be to actually run your own prisons?
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2009, 03:06:30 PM »
Quote from: Senator PiT on February 13, 2009, 03:01:39 PM

     Maybe I am mistaken, but wouldn't it be cheaper for the government to just make sure that they treat their prisoners in a respectable fashion than it would be to actually run your own prisons?

Almost certainly not.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2009, 03:11:50 PM »
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Quote from: Senator PiT on February 13, 2009, 03:01:39 PM

     Maybe I am mistaken, but wouldn't it be cheaper for the government to just make sure that they treat their prisoners in a respectable fashion than it would be to actually run your own prisons?

Almost certainly not.

     Oh? I wasn't aware that regulation was typically more expensive than operation, it seems.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2009, 03:18:02 PM »
of course.  remove 'private' as well and I would again tend to agree.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2009, 03:18:44 PM »
Yes.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2009, 03:31:08 PM »
Quote from: Senator PiT on February 13, 2009, 03:11:50 PM
Quote from: This is an act. This is desperate pastiche. on February 13, 2009, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: Senator PiT on February 13, 2009, 03:01:39 PM

     Maybe I am mistaken, but wouldn't it be cheaper for the government to just make sure that they treat their prisoners in a respectable fashion than it would be to actually run your own prisons?

Almost certainly not.

     Oh? I wasn't aware that regulation was typically more expensive than operation, it seems.

Running a prison isn't quite the same as running (say) a sweet shop.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2009, 03:36:50 PM »
Quote from: This is an act. This is desperate pastiche. on February 13, 2009, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Senator PiT on February 13, 2009, 03:11:50 PM
Quote from: This is an act. This is desperate pastiche. on February 13, 2009, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: Senator PiT on February 13, 2009, 03:01:39 PM

     Maybe I am mistaken, but wouldn't it be cheaper for the government to just make sure that they treat their prisoners in a respectable fashion than it would be to actually run your own prisons?

Almost certainly not.

     Oh? I wasn't aware that regulation was typically more expensive than operation, it seems.

Running a prison isn't quite the same as running (say) a sweet shop.

Ah, but are you sure that is the right metaphor, perhaps you were trying to say, sweat shop, perchance?
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2009, 03:42:14 PM »
Quote from: The Man Machine on February 13, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: This is an act. This is desperate pastiche. on February 13, 2009, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Senator PiT on February 13, 2009, 03:11:50 PM
     Oh? I wasn't aware that regulation was typically more expensive than operation, it seems.

Running a prison isn't quite the same as running (say) a sweet shop.

Ah, but are you sure that is the right metaphor, perhaps you were trying to say, sweat shop, perchance?

I chose my words with care Wink

Because, of course, you can't run a prison as a sweat-shop (not one profitable enough to cover the huge costs of housing and feeding the inmates, anyway) and also run a prison in an "acceptable fashion".
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2009, 03:43:35 PM »
Quote from: This is an act. This is desperate pastiche. on February 13, 2009, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: The Man Machine on February 13, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: This is an act. This is desperate pastiche. on February 13, 2009, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Senator PiT on February 13, 2009, 03:11:50 PM
     Oh? I wasn't aware that regulation was typically more expensive than operation, it seems.

Running a prison isn't quite the same as running (say) a sweet shop.

Ah, but are you sure that is the right metaphor, perhaps you were trying to say, sweat shop, perchance?

I chose my words with care Wink

Because, of course, you can't run a prison as a sweat-shop (not one profitable enough to cover the huge costs of housing and feeding the inmates, anyway) and also run a prison in an "acceptable fashion".

I don't think you understood my oblique reference (not any more) to private prisons, at least some that I have read about.
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2009, 03:49:00 PM »
Quote from: The Man Machine on February 13, 2009, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: This is an act. This is desperate pastiche. on February 13, 2009, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: The Man Machine on February 13, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: This is an act. This is desperate pastiche. on February 13, 2009, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Senator PiT on February 13, 2009, 03:11:50 PM
     Oh? I wasn't aware that regulation was typically more expensive than operation, it seems.

Running a prison isn't quite the same as running (say) a sweet shop.

Ah, but are you sure that is the right metaphor, perhaps you were trying to say, sweat shop, perchance?

I chose my words with care Wink

Because, of course, you can't run a prison as a sweat-shop (not one profitable enough to cover the huge costs of housing and feeding the inmates, anyway) and also run a prison in an "acceptable fashion".

I don't think you understood my oblique reference (not any more) to private prisons, at least some that I have read about.

No, I think I got it Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2009, 04:42:48 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2009, 07:09:36 PM »
If there's any one function that it should be self-evidently better to have in public control than private control, it should be incarceration.
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2009, 07:53:06 PM »
This came to me after the story about the judges who were accepting kickbacks from private prison companies to sentence kids to their juvenile centers for minor sentences. After that sort of thing it's pretty obvious why prisons for profit is just a bad idea.
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2009, 08:10:52 PM »
Quote from: There's a day the trees will sing on February 13, 2009, 07:53:06 PM
This came to me after the story about the judges who were accepting kickbacks from private prison companies to sentence kids to their juvenile centers for minor sentences. After that sort of thing it's pretty obvious why prisons for profit is just a bad idea.

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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2009, 08:30:57 PM »
Quote from: John P. Wintergreen for President on February 13, 2009, 07:09:36 PM
If there's any one function that it should be self-evidently better to have in public control than private control, it should be incarceration.
^^^^^

There are some things that are unarguably the job of the government rather than private entities, prisons being one of them.
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 08:35:52 PM »
Quote from: There's a day the trees will sing on February 13, 2009, 07:53:06 PM
This came to me after the story about the judges who were accepting kickbacks from private prison companies to sentence kids to their juvenile centers for minor sentences. After that sort of thing it's pretty obvious why prisons for profit is just a bad idea.

Then the judges and those who bribed them should be punished according to the law - bribery of a public official is illegal. The legality of private prisons doesn't change that. The problem this exposes is insufficient oversight. (or perhaps it is sufficient given it was caught)
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2009, 12:52:08 AM »
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Quote from: There's a day the trees will sing on February 13, 2009, 07:53:06 PM
This came to me after the story about the judges who were accepting kickbacks from private prison companies to sentence kids to their juvenile centers for minor sentences. After that sort of thing it's pretty obvious why prisons for profit is just a bad idea.

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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2009, 12:56:51 AM »
Quote from: There's a day the trees will sing on February 13, 2009, 07:53:06 PM
This came to me after the story about the judges who were accepting kickbacks from private prison companies to sentence kids to their juvenile centers for minor sentences. After that sort of thing it's pretty obvious why prisons for profit is just a bad idea.
Of course!  State run prisons have a WONDERFUL track record!  Never any abuses, corruption or graft there.  Thank God we can still go back heh?
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2009, 01:58:44 AM »
or just get rid of prisons.
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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2009, 04:25:16 AM »

capital punishment for every criminal then?
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