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« on: February 07, 2009, 07:47:16 PM »

Swiss voters will vote tomorrow on extending the freedom of movement for workers within the European Union to Bulgaria and Romania.

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I've seen very few polls (maybe because I didn't look hard enough), but it seems to be close with a small advantage for the YES.

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The SVP/UDC supports the NO, and for that reason, any sane person should support the YES Grin. The other 3 main parties support the YES.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2009, 08:30:24 AM »

Exit poll:

59% Yes
41% No

Votes counted so far:

1.004.377 (58.1 %) - Yes
723.919 (41.9 %) - No

http://tagesschau.sf.tv/hintergrund/abstimmungen/abstimmung_vom_8_februar_2009
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2009, 08:38:19 AM »

Great news!
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2009, 08:49:07 AM »

that's good, yeah.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2009, 09:45:42 AM »


The fact that the SVP/UDC was showed the finger by a larger margin than expected is especially great!
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2009, 11:28:08 AM »

Swiss Statistics site is made of win. They have final preliminary results up now.

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2009, 12:09:54 PM »

Surprising, at least to me.  Doesn't fit in with my image of Switzerland...maybe I need a new image.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2009, 12:27:31 PM »
« Edited: February 08, 2009, 12:31:39 PM by Verily »

Well, there was clearly a linguistic divide. The French-speakers loved it, the Italian-speakers hated it, and the German-speakers were divided. But there are a lot more French-speakers than Italian-speakers.

There has appeared to be an increasingly strong backlash against the SVP in Switzerland of late. Hopefully that continues. I assume the BDP campaigned for "No"?
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2009, 12:30:41 PM »

Did the recent racism against Roma's in Italy play a significant role for the No-vote in Tessin ?
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2009, 01:30:15 PM »

For those curious about the linguistic divide, language in Switzerland:


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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2009, 03:28:32 PM »

Did the recent racism against Roma's in Italy play a significant role for the No-vote in Tessin ?

Maybe, but Ticino has always been a conservative and isolationist canton.
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 03:40:46 PM »

The SVP won 29% of the vote in the last election, but 42% here. It dosen't matter that they lost. Their position won 13% more of the vote than they did, while every other party opposed it. Those voters make the SVP the only party with room to grow.

I think people are missing the game here. The goal for the SVP is not to win, but polarize Switzerland in a SVP v. Everyone else manner, and as long as the number of people who support their position exceeds their previous vote totals it is working
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2009, 03:43:44 PM »

The SVP won 29% of the vote in the last election, but 42% here. It dosen't matter that they lost. Their position won 13% more of the vote than they did, while every other party opposed it. Those voters make the SVP the only party with room to grow.

I think people are missing the game here. The goal for the SVP is not to win, but polarize Switzerland in a SVP v. Everyone else manner, and as long as the number of people who support their position exceeds their previous vote totals it is working


I'm certain that the 41% of NO voters are not all SVP voters. A majority probably are, but I'm certain that the NO demographic is not 100% SVP.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2009, 03:51:27 PM »

Anyway, the support for this referendum doesn't follow the usual pattern of SVP support very well. Vaud, over 70% in favor, gave the SVP a plurality in the 2007 election, while Ticino, 60% against, voted for the FDP in 2007. Glarus, voting against, voted for the SP in a two-way race with the SVP in 2007.

(Admittedly, some of this is due to vote-splitting; the SVP won Vaud with only 22% of the vote.)

http://www.sf.tv/wahlen07/nr/index.php?election=nr

Ultimately, yes, some of this is about polarizing Switzerland. But the CVP and FDP are such useless political "parties" that they deserve to collapse anyway.
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 03:53:36 PM »

Anyway, the support for this referendum doesn't follow the usual pattern of SVP support very well. Vaud, over 70% in favor, gave the SVP a plurality in the 2007 election, while Ticino, 60% against, voted for the FDP in 2007. Glarus, voting against, voted for the SP in a two-way race with the SVP in 2007.

(Admittedly, some of this is due to vote-splitting; the SVP won Vaud with only 22% of the vote.)

http://www.sf.tv/wahlen07/nr/index.php?election=nr

Ultimately, yes, some of this is about polarizing Switzerland. But the CVP and FDP are such useless political "parties" that they deserve to collapse anyway.


Schwyz, on the other hand though, is a stronghold of the SVP and is one of the most conservative cantons out there (they were the only one to vote YES to the SVP's xenophobic naturalization referendum).
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2009, 09:25:12 PM »

The SVP won 29% of the vote in the last election, but 42% here. It dosen't matter that they lost. Their position won 13% more of the vote than they did, while every other party opposed it. Those voters make the SVP the only party with room to grow.

I think people are missing the game here. The goal for the SVP is not to win, but polarize Switzerland in a SVP v. Everyone else manner, and as long as the number of people who support their position exceeds their previous vote totals it is working


I'm certain that the 41% of NO voters are not all SVP voters. A majority probably are, but I'm certain that the NO demographic is not 100% SVP.

But they are potential SVP voters. It tells them where they have room to grow.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2009, 09:09:06 AM »

The French love for the Romanians is proven once again.
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