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« on: January 24, 2009, 05:17:50 PM »

Comment on this graph. Note that it certainly got much worse since Sept. 30th.

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2009, 05:32:44 PM »

All that graph tells me is that Barack Obama has a responsibility to raise taxes and cut spending where it can be cut to end budget deficits and begin paying down the national debt.

Even if we're paying piddly amounts off, it's still better than constantly accruing more and more debt until the end of time, which it seems we are doing currently.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2009, 06:20:10 PM »

All that graph tells me is that Barack Obama has a responsibility to raise taxes and cut spending where it can be cut to end budget deficits and begin paying down the national debt.

Even if we're paying piddly amounts off, it's still better than constantly accruing more and more debt until the end of time, which it seems we are doing currently.

     Even if we pay off nothing at all, it is still a much better arrangement than the current one.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2009, 11:02:11 PM »

Not at all surprising to anybody who has been paying attention.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2009, 04:40:27 AM »

All that graph tells me is that Barack Obama has a responsibility to raise taxes and cut spending where it can be cut to end budget deficits and begin paying down the national debt.

Even if we're paying piddly amounts off, it's still better than constantly accruing more and more debt until the end of time, which it seems we are doing currently.

So it doesn't tell you anything about the relative successes or failures of the parties' approaches to economics in terms of true fiscal responsibility?

Now, granted, the sample size is small, but it at the very least puts the burden of proof on those who insist it is meaningless to explain why.

But yes, tax increases for the wealthy as well as ending the war in Iraq would go quite a long way towards budgetary responsibility, and hopefully these will both be accomplished within the next 4 years.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 01:46:53 PM »

All that graph tells me is that Barack Obama has a responsibility to raise taxes and cut spending where it can be cut to end budget deficits and begin paying down the national debt.

All that graph tells me is that our current debt level is low as a percentage of GDP and that we can borrow a lot more to get ourselves out of the depression - just like we did before.  Hello 90% of GDP!
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2009, 02:31:25 PM »

that worked real well for 1990s japan
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2009, 05:28:29 PM »

Why not just default and immediately after put the country on a gold standard as a confidence replacing measure?
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 06:55:04 AM »

delightfully ironic that the party of "fiscal responsibility" has such numbers to show for itself.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 11:40:13 AM »

delightfully ironic that the party of "fiscal responsibility" has such numbers to show for itself.

That graph gives a good idea of the last time the Republican Party stood up with its rhetoric.  We've been floating on abortion for the past 30 years.

Which is really depressing. The GOP of Ford, Eisenhower and before was the perfect party for me.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 01:46:24 PM »

delightfully ironic that the party of "fiscal responsibility" has such numbers to show for itself.

That graph gives a good idea of the last time the Republican Party stood up with its rhetoric.  We've been floating on abortion for the past 30 years.

lol gop sucks
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 10:28:17 PM »

delightfully ironic that the party of "fiscal responsibility" has such numbers to show for itself.

That graph gives a good idea of the last time the Republican Party stood up with its rhetoric.  We've been floating on abortion for the past 30 years.

Which is really depressing. The GOP of Ford, Eisenhower and before was the perfect party for me.

     Me too. The emphasis on social fascism in the GOP today is a major part of why I left.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 10:45:40 PM »

Why is everyone basing the GOP off of George Bush?  At least, that's what I'm seeing...
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2009, 10:54:00 PM »

     I wasn't basing it off of Bush, if that's what you're talking about. Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2009, 11:01:45 PM »

We need to cut spending... rather dramatically.
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2009, 11:05:52 PM »

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1990s Japan didn't have a depression, or have unemployment ever go over 6%. Yes they had slower growth, but they are wealthy enough that it's not critical. I think most American policymakers would jump at a 1990s Japan style situation for the next few years.
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