DO YOUR JOB MR VP OR BE KILLED IN THE REVOLUTION

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Malaysian Free Trade Renegotiation Act

1.  F.L. 14-4: Atlasia-Malaysia Free Trade Act is hereby repealed.


Sponsor: Happy Warrior

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Needs more renegotiating & less repealing.

[HappyWarrior]

     Needs more renegotiating & less repealing.

no but if you have any ideas that may make it more appealing to the rest of the Senate I am open to compromise, I doubt the president will accept this as is.  He has vetoed it once already after all.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Needs more renegotiating & less repealing.

no but if you have any ideas that may make it more appealing to the rest of the Senate I am open to compromise, I doubt the president will accept this as is.  He has vetoed it once already after all.

     Realistically, you would need something in there to win over the economically right-wing Senators. There are four of us, so you need at least one of our votes to successfully override a veto. What that something would be, I don't really know at the moment.

[HappyWarrior]

Does anyone have any suggestions without withdrawing this that may make it more acceptable to those who would not vote for it, while not losing it's previous support?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Does anyone have any suggestions without withdrawing this that may make it more acceptable to those who would not vote for it, while not losing it's previous support?

No, limiting free trade in any manner is not something I am willing to do

[HappyWarrior]

Does anyone have any suggestions without withdrawing this that may make it more acceptable to those who would not vote for it, while not losing it's previous support?

No, limiting free trade in any manner is not something I am willing to do

I am willing to compromise on the issue despite being a staunch protectionist, why can't you?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Does anyone have any suggestions without withdrawing this that may make it more acceptable to those who would not vote for it, while not losing it's previous support?

No, limiting free trade in any manner is not something I am willing to do

I am willing to compromise on the issue despite being a staunch protectionist, why can't you?

Because I do not believe that limiting free trade is something we should do.  You are looking to compromise as the current statue permits free trade and you are looking to change it, I have no reason to compromise as the current statue does exactly what I want so if the bill fails all the better.  I'm not going to compromise and harm America businesses, free trade is a black and white issue.  Either you like free markets and succesful businesses, or you do not.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Is there any significant nation that we do not currently have free trade with? If so, it may be acceptable to "switch" free trade agreements as it were.

[HappyWarrior]

Does anyone have any suggestions without withdrawing this that may make it more acceptable to those who would not vote for it, while not losing it's previous support?

No, limiting free trade in any manner is not something I am willing to do

I am willing to compromise on the issue despite being a staunch protectionist, why can't you?

Because I do not believe that limiting free trade is something we should do.  You are looking to compromise as the current statue permits free trade and you are looking to change it, I have no reason to compromise as the current statue does exactly what I want so if the bill fails all the better.  I'm not going to compromise and harm America businesses, free trade is a black and white issue.  Either you like free markets and succesful businesses, or you do not.

But in my opinion free trade only harms our businesses.  And why do we allow ourselves to have these agreements with dictatorial monsters.  Also you always talk about your opposition to international agreements but is that not what a free trade agreement is?

[ilikeverin]

     Needs more renegotiating & less repealing.

no but if you have any ideas that may make it more appealing to the rest of the Senate I am open to compromise, I doubt the president will accept this as is.  He has vetoed it once already after all.

     Realistically, you would need something in there to win over the economically right-wing Senators. There are four of us, so you need at least one of our votes to successfully override a veto. What that something would be, I don't really know at the moment.

I'm insulted that you think being pro-free-trade requires being "economically right-wing"

However, I wonder what is particularly appealing about Malaysia that means we should have free trade with them?  As far as I know they're a fairly OK country, but don't they still criminalize apostasy?

[HappyWarrior]

     Needs more renegotiating & less repealing.

no but if you have any ideas that may make it more appealing to the rest of the Senate I am open to compromise, I doubt the president will accept this as is.  He has vetoed it once already after all.

     Realistically, you would need something in there to win over the economically right-wing Senators. There are four of us, so you need at least one of our votes to successfully override a veto. What that something would be, I don't really know at the moment.

I'm insulted that you think being pro-free-trade requires being "economically right-wing"

However, I wonder what is particularly appealing about Malaysia that means we should have free trade with them?  As far as I know they're a fairly OK country, but don't they still criminalize apostasy?

They're also a criminal autocratic state.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Needs more renegotiating & less repealing.

no but if you have any ideas that may make it more appealing to the rest of the Senate I am open to compromise, I doubt the president will accept this as is.  He has vetoed it once already after all.

     Realistically, you would need something in there to win over the economically right-wing Senators. There are four of us, so you need at least one of our votes to successfully override a veto. What that something would be, I don't really know at the moment.

I'm insulted that you think being pro-free-trade requires being "economically right-wing"

     Well there are four of us who are economically right-wing. He could put something in to please you as well.

[DownWithTheLeft]

But in my opinion free trade only harms our businesses.  And why do we allow ourselves to have these agreements with dictatorial monsters.  Also you always talk about your opposition to international agreements but is that not what a free trade agreement is?

First of all, your opinion is something I find idiotic, so why would I agree to something supporting it?  Second, why should businesses be limited in their business because the government of that country isn't the same as ours?  And for your last point, free trade agreements are not international agreements in the sense that I oppose which is Atlasia just hitching itself to something that does not help us, these are one on ones that greatly increase trade and businesses

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I think it's important to correct a common factual error; Atlasia doesn't really do free trade agreements. We just unilaterally lifted restrictions on trade with whatever countries came next into the minds of the people running this place during the period of ultra-free-market domination a few years ago. That's quite a difference to an agreement, actually.

[HappyWarrior]

I think it's important to correct a common factual error; Atlasia doesn't really do free trade agreements. We just unilaterally lifted restrictions on trade with whatever countries came next into the minds of the people running this place during the period of ultra-free-market domination a few years ago. That's quite a difference to an agreement, actually.

So in other words we have no tariffs on them but they can have them on us?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I think it's important to correct a common factual error; Atlasia doesn't really do free trade agreements. We just unilaterally lifted restrictions on trade with whatever countries came next into the minds of the people running this place during the period of ultra-free-market domination a few years ago. That's quite a difference to an agreement, actually.

So in other words we have no tariffs on them but they can have them on us?

Yes.

[HappyWarrior]

I think it's important to correct a common factual error; Atlasia doesn't really do free trade agreements. We just unilaterally lifted restrictions on trade with whatever countries came next into the minds of the people running this place during the period of ultra-free-market domination a few years ago. That's quite a difference to an agreement, actually.

So in other words we have no tariffs on them but they can have them on us?

Yes.

That is disgusting.

[Lief 🗽]

If that is true, then we should repeal all "free trade" agreements. What stupid, stupid policy.

[SPC]

If that is true, then we should repeal all "free trade" agreements. What stupid, stupid policy.

Wouldn't it just be better to amend the free trade agreements such that they are contingent upon the other country having a policy of free trade as well, rather than simply burning bridges?

[Associate Justice PiT]

If that is true, then we should repeal all "free trade" agreements. What stupid, stupid policy.

Wouldn't it just be better to amend the free trade agreements such that they are contingent upon the other country having a policy of free trade as well, rather than simply burning bridges?

     I agree with this. It's not like we were going to phone Sarkozy & ask him to repeal any tariffs on Atlasian exports.

[HappyWarrior]

If that is true, then we should repeal all "free trade" agreements. What stupid, stupid policy.

Wouldn't it just be better to amend the free trade agreements such that they are contingent upon the other country having a policy of free trade as well, rather than simply burning bridges?

Nope, burn em all.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I call a final vote on this bill.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Aye

[Lief 🗽]

Aye, but Bgwah's going to veto it because he's a big jerk.