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« on: January 18, 2009, 01:40:03 PM »
With Florida Gov. Charlie Crist showing interest in the 2010 Senate Seat, do you think Crist has national ambitions for 2012? Or maybe he is waiting out for 2016?

Crist does have an impressive resume as a potential Presidential nominee. Popular Governor of a crucial swing state, very pro-law enforcement, and he could definitely get out the vote in the South. 

How would a President Obama vs. Governor Crist race go? Maps please.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2009, 01:41:27 PM »


Obama: 297
Crist: 241
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2009, 01:43:57 PM »
Crist wins OH before he wins CO or NV ...
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2009, 01:47:23 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2009, 01:55:36 PM »
It depends a lot on Obama's first term. I think Crist will stay as Governor, so under a good term as president it could be this:



or under a bad term:
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2009, 02:33:45 PM »
Assuming Obama has an average first term, and his approval rating is above 50%:
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2009, 03:20:00 PM »

What happened to North Dakota?
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 03:51:41 PM »
It hasen't been called yet.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 05:33:26 PM »
Quote from: benconstine on January 18, 2009, 02:33:45 PM
Assuming Obama has an average first term, and his approval rating is above 50%:


I think this is right.  BTW, the only way a Democrat can win North Dakota is if they spend more time in Bismarck
and Dickinson than they do in Richmond or Miami; otherwise, the strong Republican vote on the west side of
the state will always overtake good Democratic turnout on the east side.  Who is going to spend that much
cash on 3 electoral votes (unless, of course, you're Al Gore in 2000)?
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2009, 06:07:10 PM »
Would this make Obama the "Anti-Crist"??

lololol
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2009, 06:16:09 PM »
Quote from: bgwah on January 18, 2009, 06:07:10 PM
Would this make Obama the "Anti-Crist"??

lololol

I hope I have a girlfriend name Loli.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2009, 06:22:29 PM »
Conservative turnout would be FABULOUS!
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2009, 06:59:00 PM »
Quote from: bgwah on January 18, 2009, 06:07:10 PM
Would this make Obama the "Anti-Crist"??

lololol

Oh, God. You know they'll be talking about that type of candidate during the primary if Crist runs and becomes the frontrunner.
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2009, 07:50:03 PM »
Quote from: VP Meeker on January 18, 2009, 06:22:29 PM
Conservative turnout would be FABULOUS!
lol

Obama would do better than he did this time, but because Crist isn't an incompetent or a crazy, he keeps Obama under 58% of the popular vote and 450 electoral votes.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2009, 09:14:24 PM »
I assume, from Naso's picture, that he's married now?
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2009, 09:39:33 PM »
Quote from: Erc on January 18, 2009, 09:14:24 PM
I assume, from Naso's picture, that he's married now?

Yep.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2009, 10:10:17 PM »
Well, if Crist wins, he'll have brought us the most beautiful first lady in history.  She is a knockout.
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2009, 10:16:46 PM »
Crist and I went to the save school and we have the same belt that he's wearing in that photo! That being said, he isn't my top choice in 2012 unless Rudy doesn't run. Then, it's possible I'd entertain the idea of voting for him.
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2009, 10:23:09 PM »
Quote from: Erc on January 18, 2009, 09:14:24 PM
I assume, from Naso's picture, that he's married now?

Naso's married?





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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2009, 10:31:14 PM »
The guy is actually very impressive on the stump...better than Romney, Huntsman, Palin or Huckabee...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3-c4OF490Q
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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2009, 10:43:14 PM »
Quote from: anvikshiki on January 18, 2009, 10:10:17 PM
Well, if Crist wins, he'll have brought us the most beautiful first lady in history.  She is a knockout.
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2009, 04:10:46 AM »
She certainly is very pretty. Almost as if he married her just so everyone would notice that he had a wife or something...
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2009, 11:59:04 PM »
« Edited: February 15, 2009, 12:22:00 AM by pbrower2a »
Doing "sort-of-OK in 2012" against Barack Obama (who, I believe, will have a successful first term as President because he has the skills needed to be at the least an average-achiever as Presidents go) will put him in a good position in which to win in 2016 against a clueless or terribly-flawed would-be Democratic successor to Obama or in the aftermath of a knock-down, drag-out primary season by Democrats in 2016. So long as people get the impression that Crist would win "except that he is facing Barack Obama", he would be well-positioned for 2016. Think of Thomas E. Dewey in 1944; he lost handily to FDR and nearly beat Harry Truman in 1948.

This is "sort of OK" for Crist in 2012:



and this is what I see for Huckabee:



and Romney:



Second terms of most Presidents are weaker than the first, and by the end of most second terms, the opposition party has considerable advantages.  By 2016 the Republican Party leadership will have come to recognize (one hopes!) that the base that it relied upon between 1980 and 2008 can't win on its own, and that to win the nationwide election it will be obliged to make compromises that assuage the concerns of people who have found the Gingrich-Dubya GOP culture alien. It may come up with fresh ideas with which to reform what Obama botched or missed. It might also challenge some weak or corrupt Democratic politicians, as any party that gets into power brings some not-so-desirable characters with it.

If both Obama and Crist look good in 2012, then Obama wins. Incumbency has its advantages if one is competent and relevant. No landslide this time, but Obama can lose a little from 2008 and still win. But if the GOP nominates some character from the Hard Right in 2008 to face Obama, then Obama wins in a landslide. That might still leave a good opening for Crist in 2016.

Republicans, I think that Crist is your man to challenge Obama in 2012 and look good losing, only to have a good chance of winning in 2016.


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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2009, 05:06:45 PM »
I'll be honest...I think Obama and his Democrat friends will mess up just like Bush and his Republican friends did when they had full power.
It will be close, but I think Crist will win. His wife/girlfriend will get him the male vote. Wink

Crist/Romney: 290
Obama/Clinton: 248
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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2009, 05:26:08 PM »
Will the Crist gay speculation become an issue in 2012 if Crist runs?
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