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« on: January 02, 2009, 11:23:11 AM »

The map for Bush-Gore as it stood from 2000:

Bush 271
Gore 267



What if Clinton had been allowed to campaign for Gore from the convention on?  I think Gore would have lost Florida anyway, because of the Elian controversy.  But Clinton may have helped hold a few sourthern states and New Hampshire, which Gore lost by 3 or 4 points on his own.   The result:

Gore 299
Bush 239

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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 11:30:59 AM »

I think it would be more likely that Ohio would have flipped than Tennessee.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 11:38:02 AM »

Maybe.  I was living in Japan the year of that election, and I do remember hearing clips over Armed Services Radio during the campaign that had some pretty strong anti-Gore polemics in the airwaves in Tennesee.  The guy just couldn't carry his home state, huh?  Well, your scenario would make for an slightly bigger win for Gore

Gore:  309
Bush:  229



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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2009, 07:46:13 AM »

I think it would be more likely that Ohio would have flipped than Tennessee.


Gore only lost Tennessee by 80,000 votes, and he barely even set foot in his home state throughout the campaign despite the polls showing a very close race in Tennessee.  I think he took his home state for granted, and it cost him.  If he would have campaigned just a little in Tennessee in 2000 and assured Tennesseans that he wasn't going to take their guns, I think he would have won the state.  There's no doubt that the state is trending Republican (one of only a handful of states in the nation that is doing so), but I think Gore could have pulled it off in 2000.  And of course if he had have flipped Tennessee, he would have won the election.
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2009, 09:07:26 AM »

It would not have helped him anyway, Clinton's personal input would have went both ways. And Gore still would have lost his state even without the gun thing because 'he wants to kill little babies' Redneck pieces of trash.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2009, 08:15:48 PM »


Conservatives come out in drives to stop Gore, too bad it was only in Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 04:15:05 PM »



Assuming Bush's Jr.'s DUI story is still released right before the election, the electoral map would be Gore 296-Bush Jr. 242. However, if the DUI story is not released before the election (or released much earlier), Bush Jr. might still pull off a win.
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 07:56:14 PM »

Depends on how much. However, if Clinton campaigned for Gore like he did for himself, then I can imagine something fairly similar to his own two wins.

Clinton campaigns, no Lewinsky:



Gore epic-slide, 376-162; Gore wins the popular vote between 7 and 8 percentage points.

Clinton campaigns, Lewinsky happens as OTL:



Gore win, 342-195; popular vote by 5 points.
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 10:52:56 PM »

If nothing else, it New Hampshire flips and Gore wins.
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 10:54:25 PM »

If nothing else, it New Hampshire flips and Gore wins.

What about Florida? Or does Jeb still rig it for his brother?
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2010, 11:35:12 PM »

If nothing else, it New Hampshire flips and Gore wins.

What about Florida? Or does Jeb still rig it for his brother?

The latter likely. The small margin of victory for Bush is just a display of ineptitude on the part of Jeb and Katherine Harris.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2010, 11:43:51 PM »

If nothing else, it New Hampshire flips and Gore wins.

What about Florida? Or does Jeb still rig it for his brother?

The latter likely. The small margin of victory for Bush is just a display of ineptitude on the part of Jeb and Katherine Harris.

Yeah, they could ahve scrubbed much more non-Cuban minorities from the voter rolls if they wanted to.
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 12:03:11 PM »

He did campaign some and Gore would've been tied to Clinton even more which actually doesn't help according to Nixon and McCain.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 12:22:02 PM »

He did campaign some and Gore would've been tied to Clinton even more which actually doesn't help according to Nixon and McCain.

Ike's campaigning helped Nixon a little and McCain didn't campaign with Bush Jr. Clinton and Ike had high approvals while in office (in contrast to Bush Jr.), so campaigning with Clinton a little more probably would have helped Gore if he managed to make it clear that he opposed Clinton's personal scandals.
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2010, 12:27:19 PM »

Ike wanted to go on a vigorous tour of the nation; But Mamie pleaded with Nixon not to allowed it. Had Ike campaigned heavily, Nixon would have won by 2-3 percentage points.
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2010, 01:02:14 PM »

Ike wanted to go on a vigorous tour of the nation; But Mamie pleaded with Nixon not to allowed it. Had Ike campaigned heavily, Nixon would have won by 2-3 percentage points.

I also read that Ike had heart problems back in 1960 and that prevented him from campaigning much more actively on Nixon's behalf. Still, Nixon should have at least used Ike in some commercials. That might have helped. Even though I think if Ike did campaign a lot for Nixon, Nixon would have won by 1-2%, since many people already knew that they were not getting Ike's charisma and excitement in Nixon.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2010, 09:05:19 PM »

Well Bush could've used phrases that included the integrity of Clinton and Gore rather than just Clinton. When Gore denied it, the clips could've been used with pictures of him and Clinton together. I remember Clinton campaigning a fair amount, but I'm sure the Clintons wanted Hillary to win back the white house in 2004 so it worked out for them and not for their "friends." I'm not surprised.
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2010, 01:27:15 PM »

Well Bush could've used phrases that included the integrity of Clinton and Gore rather than just Clinton. When Gore denied it, the clips could've been used with pictures of him and Clinton together. I remember Clinton campaigning a fair amount, but I'm sure the Clintons wanted Hillary to win back the white house in 2004 so it worked out for them and not for their "friends." I'm not surprised.

In that case, Gore could have just said that he strongly opposes Clinton's personal behavior but supports his policies, especially on the economy. Also, I think it would have been easier for Hillary's political ambitions if Gore won in 2000, lost in 2004, and then have Hillary win in either 2008/2012 while she would have gotten a lot more experienced.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2010, 05:43:45 PM »

Lewinsky didnt hurt Gore, the american ppl didnt care.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2010, 05:59:10 PM »

Lewinsky didnt hurt Gore, the american ppl didnt care.


I'm talking about several other things like the white house rooms being rented out, white water, how he sold our secrets to China. It wasn't about Lewinsky until Clinton ran his mouth. Then it looked like the GOP was bursting into the oval office rather than bringing down a corrupt white collar criminal.
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2010, 07:18:15 PM »

Lewinsky didnt hurt Gore, the american ppl didnt care.

It hurt Gore by energizing the Religious Right, which caused them to come out in droves and vote for Bush Jr. (and thus provided his 537-vote victory margin in Florida).
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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2010, 07:25:19 PM »

I disagree, nobody cared.
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2010, 11:44:26 PM »


Why did Gore lose, in your opinion?
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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2010, 11:49:17 PM »

Lewinsky didnt hurt Gore, the american ppl didnt care.

It hurt Gore by energizing the Religious Right, which caused them to come out in droves and vote for Bush Jr. (and thus provided his 537-vote victory margin in Florida).
The DUI story is supposed to have cancalled that out.
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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2010, 11:50:15 PM »

1. the gun issue cost him WV, AR, and his home state of TN
2. he was very boring
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