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« on: December 21, 2008, 05:59:42 PM »

Buchanan got his highest % in ND which was 2.57%.

In fact his top 5  counties nationwide are all in North Dakota.

1.) Kidder, ND
2.) Logan, ND
3.) Cavalier, ND
4.) Billings, ND
5.) Grant, ND

Now my question... Did Buchanan specifically target North Dakota or is he born there or...? What led him to doing do so well there relatively speaking?
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2008, 07:22:49 PM »

I'm thinking it's a libertarian or paleo-conservative oriented state, much like Nebraska or Indiana.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2008, 09:55:47 PM »
« Edited: December 22, 2008, 10:48:48 AM by Stranger in a strange land »


Now my question... Did Buchanan specifically target North Dakota or is he born there or...? What led him to doing do so well there relatively speaking?

He was born and grew up in DC. He campaigned pretty much exclusively in Safe Bush states, and was able to take advantage of the Reform Party's matching funds. A campaign in North Dakota is pretty cheap.

I'm not sure North Dakota is so much a paleocon state as it is an isolationist one: Ron Paul got 21% in the caucus this year, one of his best performances in the entire country, and back in the day it was the home of Gerald Nye, one of the leaders of the America First Committee and a leading opponent of intervention in World War II.
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2008, 02:03:48 AM »

Born and raised in North Dakota guy speaking here.  I think the fact that campaigning in North Dakota can be inexpensive is your winner.  North Dakota is not an isolationist state, at least not anymore, nor is it Libertarian.  They vote routinely for Democrats for congress because the Democrats are more proactive on agricultural policy, but they vote for Republicans even more routinely for the presidency (NoDak has only cast its electoral votes for Democrats five times since its founding, twice for Wilson, for FDR in '32 and '36 and for Johnson in '64) because Republicans reflect their social values.  Buchanan's counties in North Dakota are all small (even by NoDak standards!), and 2.5% is not a great performance.  I'm willing to bet that Paul did well in North Dakota because about 30% of the voters in the state now identify themselves as Indpendents.  Anyway, if I were Buchanan, I would take North Dakota to actually reflect how poorly his campaign was; winning Kildeer definitely ain't nothin' to brag about, even to your mom.  By the way, it will be interesting to see what happens to North Dakota over the next ten years or so.  The population is getting younger, and Obama only lost the state by 8 points compared to Bush wins of 28 and 27 points there.   I know what formula could win the state for Democrats, and it wouldn't be that hard.  But, in a national campaign, Democrats don't normally want to work that hard for traditionally red states with only 3 electoral votes.  Makes me jealous of Indiana!
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2008, 02:23:43 AM »

Born and raised in North Dakota guy speaking here.  I think the fact that campaigning in North Dakota can be inexpensive is your winner.  North Dakota is not an isolationist state, at least not anymore, nor is it Libertarian.  They vote routinely for Democrats for congress because the Democrats are more proactive on agricultural policy, but they vote for Republicans even more routinely for the presidency (NoDak has only cast its electoral votes for Democrats five times since its founding, twice for Wilson, for FDR in '32 and '36 and for Johnson in '64) because Republicans reflect their social values.  Buchanan's counties in North Dakota are all small (even by NoDak standards!), and 2.5% is not a great performance.  I'm willing to bet that Paul did well in North Dakota because about 30% of the voters in the state now identify themselves as Indpendents.  Anyway, if I were Buchanan, I would take North Dakota to actually reflect how poorly his campaign was; winning Kildeer definitely ain't nothin' to brag about, even to your mom.  By the way, it will be interesting to see what happens to North Dakota over the next ten years or so.  The population is getting younger, and Obama only lost the state by 8 points compared to Bush wins of 28 and 27 points there.   I know what formula could win the state for Democrats, and it wouldn't be that hard.  But, in a national campaign, Democrats don't normally want to work that hard for traditionally red states with only 3 electoral votes.  Makes me jealous of Indiana!


Where in North Dakota are you from?
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2008, 11:26:27 AM »

I'm originally from Dickinson, in the southwest part of the state, though I finished college in Grand Forks in the northeast.  If there is anyone on this site from Kildeer, they will hate me for that comment....it's just that the town and county are really small. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 01:25:59 AM »

I wish I saw this earlier.

I'm thinking it's a libertarian or paleo-conservative oriented state, much like Nebraska or Indiana.

LOL. No. I don't see that applying to Nebraska or Indiana either. (Indiana Libertarian? WTF?)

Born and raised in North Dakota guy speaking here.  I think the fact that campaigning in North Dakota can be inexpensive is your winner.  North Dakota is not an isolationist state, at least not anymore, nor is it Libertarian.  They vote routinely for Democrats for congress because the Democrats are more proactive on agricultural policy, but they vote for Republicans even more routinely for the presidency (NoDak has only cast its electoral votes for Democrats five times since its founding, twice for Wilson, for FDR in '32 and '36 and for Johnson in '64) because Republicans reflect their social values.  Buchanan's counties in North Dakota are all small (even by NoDak standards!), and 2.5% is not a great performance.  I'm willing to bet that Paul did well in North Dakota because about 30% of the voters in the state now identify themselves as Indpendents.  Anyway, if I were Buchanan, I would take North Dakota to actually reflect how poorly his campaign was; winning Kildeer definitely ain't nothin' to brag about, even to your mom.  By the way, it will be interesting to see what happens to North Dakota over the next ten years or so.  The population is getting younger, and Obama only lost the state by 8 points compared to Bush wins of 28 and 27 points there.   I know what formula could win the state for Democrats, and it wouldn't be that hard.  But, in a national campaign, Democrats don't normally want to work that hard for traditionally red states with only 3 electoral votes.  Makes me jealous of Indiana!

Largely correct. He ran a ton of radio ads in Bismarck, I remember that fairly clearly.
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