2009 New Jersey Governor's Race

[Ronnie]

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/chris_christie_ranked_by_bush.html

New Jersey needs this man.

Lame

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/chris_christie_ranked_by_bush.html

New Jersey needs this man.

Completely irrelevant at this point, unless the argument is that the people Chris Christie put behind bars are honest, well-meaning folk who were railroaded because of partisan affiliation.

[cinyc]

Those numbers mean Obama is net negative now amongst Indies, and it's only getting worse between now and election day.

Probably. But Obama is more of a fundraising and GOTV asset than someone who is going to convince people who don't like him to vote for Corzine.  Voters who don't like Obama probably don't think highly of Corzine, anyway.

[Tender Branson]

Christie now down to 5 or 6:

2-way race:

Christie: 43%
Corzine: 37%

3-way race:

Christie: 40%
Corzine: 35%
Daggett: 10%

These results are based on a Democracy Corps survey conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner from August 11-12, 2009 among 620 likely voters in New Jersey. The margin of error is +/- 4.1 percent.

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/njsw081309fq1web5.pdf

[Zarn]

Sorry, not going to believe Democracy Corps.

[Tender Branson]

Sorry, not going to believe Democracy Corps.

Yeah, because Democracy Corps' final 2008 poll of 52-44 for Obama in a 2-way and 51-44 in a 3-way race was sooooo inaccurate it can't be true ...

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/dcor110208fq21.pdf

[Rowan]

Christie now down to 5 or 6:

2-way race:

Christie: 43%
Corzine: 37%

3-way race:

Christie: 40%
Corzine: 35%
Daggett: 10%

These results are based on a Democracy Corps survey conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner from August 11-12, 2009 among 620 likely voters in New Jersey. The margin of error is +/- 4.1 percent.

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/njsw081309fq1web5.pdf

Reading the link, I think the two-way numbers are of people who answered "Daggett" in question 14.

[Tender Branson]

Christie now down to 5 or 6:

2-way race:

Christie: 43%
Corzine: 37%

3-way race:

Christie: 40%
Corzine: 35%
Daggett: 10%

These results are based on a Democracy Corps survey conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner from August 11-12, 2009 among 620 likely voters in New Jersey. The margin of error is +/- 4.1 percent.

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/njsw081309fq1web5.pdf

Reading the link, I think the two-way numbers are of people who answered "Daggett" in question 14.

It almost looks like it, but their seperate memo says "2-way trial heat" ...

http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/nj-gov-poll-memo-081309-final21.pdf

[Brittain33]

http://www.politickerny.com/4893/see-chris-christie-skate

Christie was on the list of "problem" USAs early in 2006, made lots of politically convenient leaks against Menendez right before the election, never built up or delivered a case, and was magically removed from the to-fire list.

It was obvious at the time Christie was helping the Republican campaign effort. The charges against Menendez were always a joke, and the whole point was to claim there was a cloud of suspicion around him. Christie was being a good team player instead of a good U.S. Attorney.

Will this be an issue? I doubt it. I feel the U.S. Attorney scandal was always too complex for ordinary people to understand because they don't expect the Justice Dept. to be independent of the President or know what it does. I don't think ethics alone were enough to let the Rs win, because people know the Rs are just as bad as the Ds in New Jersey; it was a combination of frustration with taxes, a bad economy, and "time for a change"/"this team's been too corrupt" that was going to deliver an exit for Corzine. However, this may mean that people in the know in the media will see through Christie's persona.

I still think Christie will win, but it's an opening.

[Purple State]

I still think Christie will win, but it's an opening.

And an opening Corzine seems determined to widen. He is jiggering his finger in it every chance he can. I don't think the complexity of the US Attorney scandal matters much either. People know it was bad and associate it with Bush cronyism. That may be enough to bring Corzine back into contention.

[cinyc]

And an opening Corzine seems determined to widen. He is jiggering his finger in it every chance he can. I don't think the complexity of the US Attorney scandal matters much either. People know it was bad and associate it with Bush cronyism. That may be enough to bring Corzine back into contention.

The US Attorney "scandal"?  Yawn.  Much ado about nothing then.  Much ado about nothing now.  US Attorneys sit at the pleasure of the President and can be fired for any reason or no reason at all.

The only person the "scandal" will hurt is the next Democrat President who tries to fire a US Attorney.  Turnabout is fair play.  Not a US Attorney who had nothing at all to do with which US Attorneys were hired or fired.

[MSG]

The US Attorney "scandal"?  Yawn.  Much ado about nothing then.  Much ado about nothing now.  US Attorneys sit at the pleasure of the President and can be fired for any reason or no reason at all.

The only person the "scandal" will hurt is the next Democrat President who tries to fire a US Attorney.  Turnabout is fair play.  Not a US Attorney who had nothing at all to do with which US Attorneys were hired or fired.
[/quote]

The sad thing is this statement is entirely correct.  Regardless of Christies involvement in politicized prosecutions, it doesn't matter in this race, the proceeding point still stands.  The next democratic president who fires a us attorney for specious circumstances will be lambasted with rubage like this from people who say this was wrong but now they are doing the same thing. Our wrong is righted by their wrong  Though, in this case, bush and his cronies fired these attorney for not bringing charges and lawsuits against the undeserving.  When the did they sent innocent men to jail. FREE DON SEIGLMAN The issue at hand in the us attorney scandal(or whatever the msm name for it is) is the blatant disregard for the point of our constitution and the laws therein.  The bush administration saw that if you prosecute you can gain a political advantage over your opponent.  In doing so you will remain in power.  These are not reasons for action from the us attys., however they were either forced to (allegedly christie), agreed to(the unfired attys.), or forced to leave(those who would not comply.) Just my rant.

Oh and christie will probably win but he will either do nothing of value or make things worse.  His(chirstie) platform offers nothing but they(dems) are wrong and i am right.  We will change because we say we are.  I have yet to see anything beyond tax cuts and deregulation as policy proposals from christie.  Also, he says no to anything that obama proposes himself.  Whatever it is all they(reps) need to do.  The sad thing is the new jersey dems are to blame.  Partisan rant there.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Hey guys.  Do as we say, not as we do.

http://www.politickernj.com/wallye/32304/spicuzzos-political-talk-m-rod-could-weaken-dems-argument-christie-rove-talk

[Verily]

Hey guys.  Do as we say, not as we do.

http://www.politickernj.com/wallye/32304/spicuzzos-political-talk-m-rod-could-weaken-dems-argument-christie-rove-talk

The 19th is really safe, though. Corzine doesn't need to pay any attention to Rodriguez at all.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

The Sierra Club endorsed independent candidate Daggett today.

[Brittain33]

The Sierra Club endorsed independent candidate Daggett today.

Why not Corzine?

[Rowan]

The Sierra Club endorsed independent candidate Daggett today.

Why not Corzine?

Because he is an epic failure.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

The Sierra Club endorsed independent candidate Daggett today.

Why not Corzine?

The short version: Too pro-development.  They quarreled quite a bit in 2005, and Sierra Club flirted with Forrester a bit before backing Corzine.

[Verily]

The Sierra Club endorsed independent candidate Daggett today.

Why not Corzine?

They hate Corzine. They might have actually endorsed Forrester in 2005, I forget, but they definitely had a huge feud with Corzine then, too, mostly over development policies. Daggett having environmental credentials was just an added bonus.

[War on Want]

Corzine never really seemed like a pro-environment Democrat to me. It makes sense that the Sierra Club would endorse Daggett. Do you guys actually think they'll pour some funds into Daggett's campaign?

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Corzine never really seemed like a pro-environment Democrat to me. It makes sense that the Sierra Club would endorse Daggett. Do you guys actually think they'll pour some funds into Daggett's campaign?

No.  It's a slap on the wrist, not a tire iron to the kneecap.

(And Sierra wouldn't be doing it if they expected Corzine to win.)

[DownWithTheLeft]

Wow no Corzine is harping on Christie giving a loan to one of his friends out of his own pocket!  HOW DARE HE?  And apparently this has something to do with his conversation with Karl Rove according to Corzine

There is mudslinging and there is being a desperate fool, Corzine is certainly the latter

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Wow no Corzine is harping on Christie giving a loan to one of his friends out of his own pocket!  HOW DARE HE?  And apparently this has something to do with his conversation with Karl Rove according to Corzine

There is mudslinging and there is being a desperate fool, Corzine is certainly the latter

It's a shameless line of attack, considering that Corzine offered a loan 10 times the size to Karla Katz, who eventually wound up at the opposite side of the bargaining table as the state.  (Corzine has refused to allow personal e-mails between himself and Katz to be made public.)  Bringing things back around to Rove is a hard-to-follow stretch, but it's the only tool Corzine is comfortable with using, so he'll keep beating Christie over the head with it until November.

Then again, you have to at least fault Christie for not following through on the reporting aspects of the loan. It's not that he made the loan—that's fine—it's that he didn't report it to the appropriate authorities (including, it now appears, the IRS).

Something like that is almost guaranteed to be an unintentional goof, but you'd hope that someone whose job is enforcing the law would be up to speed on the relevant laws governing his financial transactions.

[WalterMitty]

she was a 'friend'?

developing...

[DownWithTheLeft]

Still doesn't change the fact that it is a desperate reach by Corzine