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minionofmidas
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« on: November 04, 2008, 04:08:16 PM »
« edited: November 18, 2008, 01:53:25 PM by Lewis "Scooter" Trondheim »
Somaliland Recognition Bill

The Republic of Atlasia hereby recognises the indepedence of the Republic of Somaliland.


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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2008, 01:19:29 AM »
Again, not something than can be accomplished through legislation.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2008, 07:26:29 AM »
Quote from: Председатель Захар on November 05, 2008, 01:19:29 AM
Again, not something than can be accomplished through legislation.

Why not?
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2008, 06:18:32 PM »
Can someone explain the exact conditions I'm not familiar with them
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2008, 11:49:52 PM »
Why is this necessary. In any event, the state is the epitome of a failed state. It produces next to nothing. It's a basket case.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2008, 12:02:14 AM »
Grin Cheesy Grin *hughughug* Grin Cheesy Grin

*sweeps self out of Senate with Broom of Justice (tm)*
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2008, 06:27:40 AM »
« Edited: November 06, 2008, 06:29:35 AM by Jas »
Quote from: Torie on November 05, 2008, 11:49:52 PM
Why is this necessary. In any event, the state is the epitome of a failed state. It produces next to nothing. It's a basket case.

I agree. Somalia is a failed state.

Somaliland is a peaceful, multi-party democracy with a functioning government and a people who desire their own state.

Without international recognition and the access that it provides to bilateral and multilateral development finance, Somaliland's government will continue to be hamstrung and unable to develop its economic infrasturcture.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2008, 08:20:21 AM »
After careful consideration, I will be voting against this bill.  I don't feel it appropriate for us to take such a giant leap and be the first to recognize them.  I would support doing what the EU has done and sending some diplomats or opening up relations with them.  If at a later date they have been recognized by other countries, I will be more than willing to vote for this.  However, at this time I do not feel like I can.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2008, 03:35:03 PM »

Separation of powers, etc.

Recognition is conferred by the executive.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2008, 04:16:27 AM »
Quote from: Председатель Захар on November 06, 2008, 03:35:03 PM

Separation of powers, etc.

Recognition is conferred by the executive.

By what Atlasian constitutional article, statute or legal precedent did you come to this conclusion?
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2008, 10:35:32 AM »
I plan to vote for this bill, as Jas says the Atlasian and US constitutions are totally different and I see nothing prohibiting such an action in the constitution.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2008, 03:56:10 PM »
Quote from: Jas on November 07, 2008, 04:16:27 AM
Quote from: Председатель Захар on November 06, 2008, 03:35:03 PM

Separation of powers, etc.

Recognition is conferred by the executive.

By what Atlasian constitutional article, statute or legal precedent did you come to this conclusion?

Looking through, doesn't seem that's enshrined in the Constitution. Oh well. The executive is powerless already...
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2008, 07:23:48 PM »
     I oppose this bill simply because I think that we should leave this up to the DoEA. The legislative branch has too much power already to be taking some that could be alotted to the executive branch.
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2008, 08:37:04 PM »
Would it be possible to have Secretary Hashemite speak on this. I believe his opinion would be cruicial for this matter.
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2008, 08:52:45 PM »
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Would it be possible to have Secretary Hashemite speak on this. I believe his opinion would be cruicial for this matter.

The SoEA and the DoEA supports this bill and it is the DoEA's current policy to recognize Somaliland and we thank Sen. Jas for taking up this issue. However, we at the DoEA continue to call on an end to conflict in Somalia etc etc

Kenavo!
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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2008, 09:45:43 PM »
I agree with the view of the distinguished SoEA.

This is an aye for me.
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2008, 09:52:02 PM »
     If the SoEA approves it, then I'll bow to his will on the issue.
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2008, 11:43:15 PM »
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Quote from: Sen. AndrewCT on November 07, 2008, 08:37:04 PM
Would it be possible to have Secretary Hashemite speak on this. I believe his opinion would be cruicial for this matter.

The SoEA and the DoEA supports this bill and it is the DoEA's current policy to recognize Somaliland and we thank Sen. Jas for taking up this issue. However, we at the DoEA continue to call on an end to conflict in Somalia etc etc

Kenavo!

You'd be better off doing it unilaterally, methinks.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2008, 12:14:07 AM »
Quote from: Председатель Захар on November 07, 2008, 11:43:15 PM
Quote from: Alaska: Yes, you suck on November 07, 2008, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: Sen. AndrewCT on November 07, 2008, 08:37:04 PM
Would it be possible to have Secretary Hashemite speak on this. I believe his opinion would be cruicial for this matter.

The SoEA and the DoEA supports this bill and it is the DoEA's current policy to recognize Somaliland and we thank Sen. Jas for taking up this issue. However, we at the DoEA continue to call on an end to conflict in Somalia etc etc

Kenavo!

You'd be better off doing it unilaterally, methinks.

     True, though I'll vote aye on this bill to show my deference to the SoEA on this matter.
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2008, 10:38:29 AM »
I move (per Article 4.1.2 of the OSPR) that this bill be brought to vote.
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2008, 12:57:01 PM »
Quote from: Jas on November 09, 2008, 10:38:29 AM
I move (per Article 4.1.2 of the OSPR) that this bill be brought to vote.

I second.
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2008, 05:02:59 PM »
Final vote time! Please vote aye, nay or abstain.

Somaliland Recognition Bill

The Republic of Atlasia hereby recognises the indepedence of the Republic of Somaliland.
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2008, 05:15:29 PM »
Nay
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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2008, 05:47:55 PM »
Aye
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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2008, 06:03:51 PM »
aye
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