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Tender Branson
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« on: November 03, 2008, 03:23:55 AM »

Obama - 48
McCain - 47
Paul - 4

PPP surveyed 2,734 likely voters from October 31st to November 2nd. The survey’s margin of error is +/-1.9%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Montana_1103623.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2008, 03:24:32 AM »

Lies. all of it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 03:25:35 AM »

I'm sorry, but until PPP proves themselves to be credible anywhere outside of NC, they can churn out as many polls as they want, it doesn't meant they are accurate. Did they even poll anywhere in 2004? Or are they just a Democratic group that was started in Raleigh this cycle?
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 03:44:19 AM »

Longshot prediction:  after the election, PPP will turn out to be "the Hagan family."
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 03:48:20 AM »

This isn't a crazy "PPP" sucks type of poll.  If Obama is indeed 8% ahead, being 1% ahead in MT is predictable.  4% for Paul is ok too.
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2008, 04:15:41 AM »

I'm sorry, but until PPP proves themselves to be credible anywhere outside of NC, they can churn out as many polls as they want, it doesn't meant they are accurate. Did they even poll anywhere in 2004? Or are they just a Democratic group that was started in Raleigh this cycle?

I agree with this criticism. There are ways to point out that PPP's polling numbers lean Democratic without calling it "piss poor polling".

Not inclined to trust this poll. I do find it hilarious that Kelleher is still getting 26% though. We'll see if he does as well as Keyes!
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2008, 05:58:00 AM »

My prediction:

MONTANA PRESIDENT -
50% (R) McCain
45% (D) Obama
  4% Others
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2008, 06:59:07 AM »

Offering Paul as an option might overstate his support, which in turn would be coming disproportionately from McCain, right?
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2008, 07:05:41 AM »

Offering Paul as an option might overstate his support, which in turn would be coming disproportionately from McCain, right?

They like Paul there, he'll get votes
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2008, 07:16:46 AM »

Offering Paul as an option might overstate his support, which in turn would be coming disproportionately from McCain, right?

They like Paul there, he'll get votes
Yeah, of course. Should be the best state of any third candidate in the Nation.
Not necessarily 4% without campaigning though.
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2008, 08:55:06 AM »

I'm sorry, but until PPP proves themselves to be credible anywhere outside of NC, they can churn out as many polls as they want, it doesn't meant they are accurate. Did they even poll anywhere in 2004? Or are they just a Democratic group that was started in Raleigh this cycle?
They did prove themselves to be credible during the primary. They were one of the best pollsters.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2008, 11:11:38 AM »

for a second there i thought the title said MI and i thought ppp had really gone of the wagon.
however id say well this result is possible im thinking its unlikely i think mccain will win montana by a few points.
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2008, 11:14:33 AM »

Obama is not going to win Montana...

nor is John McCain going to win an election in which this uber-Republican state is close. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2008, 11:55:21 AM »

Impressive Obama polling in a state that went Bush+21 just means the margin this time around will be like McCain+5 or something.

(Comparatively, impressive Obama polling in a state that went Bush+13...meaning North Carolina...could indicate a margin like Obama+3 or so).
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2008, 12:18:50 PM »

I'm sorry, but until PPP proves themselves to be credible anywhere outside of NC, they can churn out as many polls as they want, it doesn't meant they are accurate. Did they even poll anywhere in 2004? Or are they just a Democratic group that was started in Raleigh this cycle?
They did prove themselves to be credible during the primary. They were one of the best pollsters.

Right. Obama won Pennsylvania by 2, didn't he?

They were middle of the pack, according to your boy Nate Silver's ratings. They beat out the ABC/Wash post polls and lost to Insider Advantage.
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2008, 12:21:33 PM »


That was their one bad poll, which has already been mentioned 50 times by other posters.

They were middle of the pack, according to your boy Nate Silver's ratings. They beat out the ABC/Wash post polls and lost to Insider Advantage.

They were 12th out of 32, just barely behind Mason-Dixon and Quinnipiac.
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2008, 12:41:38 PM »

for a second there i thought the title said MI and i thought ppp had really gone of the wagon.
however id say well this result is possible im thinking its unlikely i think mccain will win montana by a few points.

help my keyboard seems to have the same problem as yours its punctuation keys do not work how do i fix this
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2008, 12:42:05 PM »


That was their one bad poll, which has already been mentioned 50 times by other posters.

They were middle of the pack, according to your boy Nate Silver's ratings. They beat out the ABC/Wash post polls and lost to Insider Advantage.

They were 12th out of 32, just barely behind Mason-Dixon and Quinnipiac.

I guess it depends on your definition of "barely" then.....
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