The Fishtown Effect (racism in Philly)

[Brittain33]

An article on racism in Philadelphia and how it is affecting the Presidential vote.

http://www.citypaper.net/articles/2008/10/30/the-fishtown-effect

[TheGlobalizer]

Interesting read.  Thanks.

[Keystone Phil]

I've posted on this specific area several times before. Like usual, it's ignored. If you think people with such racial hatred will really vote for Obama, you're mistaken.

[Eraserhead]

I've posted on this specific area several times before. Like usual, it's ignored. If you think people with such racial hatred will really vote for Obama, you're mistaken.

Many of them will, due to the sheer stress put forth by this economy.

[anti_leftist]

I've posted on this specific area several times before. Like usual, it's ignored. If you think people with such racial hatred will really vote for Obama, you're mistaken.

I don't think anyone's really argued with you on the part about areas like these having racial prejudices....what people seem to be ridiculing you about is the belief (which you once had) that they will be enough to turn the state to McCain.



Bottom Line: if Obama's up 10 in the state opinion polls before election day, Fishtown racists are irrelevant.

[Stranger in a strange land]

I don't think anyone disputes that a significant portion of the white population won't vote for Obama because of his race. What is in dispute is:

1. How many racists will vote for Obama because of the economy? I've heard a fair number of "We're voting for the n****r" type stories

2. How many will vote McCain vs leave the top line on their ballots blank vs not vote?

3. Will it be enough to offset the gains that Obama is likely to make in other sections of the electorate?

[Keystone Phil]

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2. How many will vote McCain vs leave the top line on their ballots blank vs not vote?
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Doesn't matter to me. Either way, it helps McCain.

[Lunar]

The real question is if they are lying to pollsters en masse, not that they aren't racists.

No one disputes the fact that there are racists in PA.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I've posted on this specific area several times before. Like usual, it's ignored. If you think people with such racial hatred will really vote for Obama, you're mistaken.

And the polls prove Obama doesn't need them.

[Keystone Phil]

I've posted on this specific area several times before. Like usual, it's ignored. If you think people with such racial hatred will really vote for Obama, you're mistaken.

And the polls prove Obama doesn't need them.

Polls don't prove anything. Polls aren't fact.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I've posted on this specific area several times before. Like usual, it's ignored. If you think people with such racial hatred will really vote for Obama, you're mistaken.

And the polls prove Obama doesn't need them.

Polls don't prove anything. Polls aren't fact.

Ah, didn't I hear this back in 2006...

I thought you had switched to predicting Obama wins the state too?

[Keystone Phil]

Ah, didn't I hear this back in 2006...

Doesn't make polls fact though.

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I did. I still believe he will win PA but some of these polls are looking pretty interesting. I'm going to give my official prediction for all major races Monday afternoon. I'm sure you'll be ready to pounce.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Doesn't make polls fact though...some of these polls are looking pretty interesting.

LOL

[J. J.]

BRTD, I'm not calling PA for McCain, but you have to admit that the polls are closing in the state.

I do believe that there is a Bradley Effect, but it won't be high enough to swing the state (now a 4-6 point gap).  It's getting to the point where, if there is any more erosion, it will be in that range.

[Keystone Phil]

Doesn't make polls fact though...some of these polls are looking pretty interesting.

LOL

...which doesn't mean that I'm arguing them to be "fact."

I pray that your parents' punishment won't be too harsh. They couldn't have known how badly you would turn out...

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

BRTD, I'm not calling PA for McCain, but you have to admit that the polls are closing in the state.

According to that latest Rasmussen, all of McCain's gains have been among blacks. LOL.

I do believe that there is a Bradley Effect

*insert that pic that got me mod reviewed*

Also despite your (as usual) claims of such in 2006, the only race that had anything near that was a REVERSE Bradley Effect (Tennessee Senate) and in Pennsylvania Swann actually got higher than he did in any recent poll before election day.

[Barack Hussian YO MAMA!!!!]

Doesn't make polls fact though...some of these polls are looking pretty interesting.

LOL

who knows BRTD they could be lying to there pollsters its hard to know race is  going to be a big thing not just on election day but we shall see if it could be problematic during an obama administartion. these sentiments are not just going to go away over night. 

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Doesn't make polls fact though...some of these polls are looking pretty interesting.

LOL

who knows BRTD they could be lying to there pollsters its hard to know race is  going to be a big thing not just on election day but we shall see if it could be problematic during an obama administartion. these sentiments are not just going to go away over night. 

There's been plenty of legitimate academic research and papers over the past year that prove the Bradley Effect is an outdated relic of the 80s and early 90s that has little relevance today.

[TheGlobalizer]

Doesn't make polls fact though...some of these polls are looking pretty interesting.

LOL

who knows BRTD they could be lying to there pollsters its hard to know race is  going to be a big thing not just on election day but we shall see if it could be problematic during an obama administartion. these sentiments are not just going to go away over night. 

There's been plenty of legitimate academic research and papers over the past year that prove the Bradley Effect is an outdated relic of the 80s and early 90s that has little relevance today.

I love when people throw the word "prove" around.

Maybe it's just my philosophy background, but it always makes me roll my eyes.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Doesn't make polls fact though...some of these polls are looking pretty interesting.

LOL

who knows BRTD they could be lying to there pollsters its hard to know race is  going to be a big thing not just on election day but we shall see if it could be problematic during an obama administartion. these sentiments are not just going to go away over night. 

There's been plenty of legitimate academic research and papers over the past year that prove the Bradley Effect is an outdated relic of the 80s and early 90s that has little relevance today.

I love when people throw the word "prove" around.

Maybe it's just my philosophy background, but it always makes me roll my eyes.

Point is, there's far more proof the Bradley Effect is an outdated relic than proof that it's still a major factor.

I hate the name Bradley Effect altogether (if you want to name it say Wilder Effect at least), since there's a ton of other reason Bradley lost, Deukmejian was surging into election day and had basically a perfect storm at the time.)

The last tracking poll in CA 1982:

Bradley 45
Deukmejian 44