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« on: September 16, 2004, 05:06:54 PM »

What if Gore got the nomination again?
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2004, 05:45:27 PM »

It would be very interesting. Al Gore had a Vietnam record- but as in 2000- he wouldnt play on it. Plus he would have had the 'I told ya so' advantage.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2004, 06:09:05 PM »

Gore would pull off a very small win. I think people really want to get rid of Bush, but having Kerry as the only other choice isn't inspiring widespread joy and support.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2004, 06:12:10 PM »

I think history would have ended the Gore Campaign in 2004. Look at the facts:

William Jennings Bryan lost twice to McKinley

Adlai Stevenson lost twice to Eisenhower

Thomas Dewey ran twice in a row (1944,1948) and lost to FDR and Truman
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2004, 06:13:14 PM »

Plus he would have had the 'I told ya so' advantage.

I think the big thing about a Bush-Gore rematch would be the 2000 recount. When people think of Gore, they think of Florida which means they think about the 36 days of recounts and court battles that took place. I wouldn't say that is a Gore strong point.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2004, 06:34:06 PM »

I think he'd be exactly where Kerry is right now: 6-8 points behind
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2004, 06:50:28 PM »

I disagree, Philip. It would be tighter than 2000. Suppose Gore ran a better campaign this time around, Gore might've pulled out a win.
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2004, 07:33:40 PM »

I think history would have ended the Gore Campaign in 2004. Look at the facts:

William Jennings Bryan lost twice to McKinley

Adlai Stevenson lost twice to Eisenhower

Thomas Dewey ran twice in a row (1944,1948) and lost to FDR and Truman
Then again, there's Nixon.
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2004, 07:38:50 PM »

Or if not Nixon, What about Cleveland? Though that case stretches a bit.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2004, 07:46:28 PM »

Nixon waited an election. If Gore pulled a Nixon, he'd run in '08.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2004, 09:43:55 PM »

Or if not Nixon, What about Cleveland? Though that case stretches a bit.

I was just going to bring him up.

I think that Cleveland was one of the few incumbent presidents defeated not by the people (as he won the popular vote) but by special interests and negative campaigning. Since he was still liked by the people he was able to oull the two nonconsecutive terms.
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2004, 11:00:23 PM »

I think history would have ended the Gore Campaign in 2004. Look at the facts:

William Jennings Bryan lost twice to McKinley

Adlai Stevenson lost twice to Eisenhower

Thomas Dewey ran twice in a row (1944,1948) and lost to FDR and Truman

In the first 2 examples the incumbant was extremely popular.  In the third, Dewey hardly did any campaigning.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2004, 01:34:00 AM »

I think history would have ended the Gore Campaign in 2004. Look at the facts:

William Jennings Bryan lost twice to McKinley

Adlai Stevenson lost twice to Eisenhower

Thomas Dewey ran twice in a row (1944,1948) and lost to FDR and Truman

Look at Andrew Jackon 1828, and Grover Cleveland 1892. If you won the popular vote, but lost the electoral vote, and then ran against the same guy 4 years later, you won.
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2004, 09:34:27 AM »

Gore would win, he didn't run a very good campaign last time, but he's a lot smarter than Kerry.  
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2004, 08:24:48 PM »

I'd vote Gore but Bush would win.
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2004, 06:49:44 PM »

I think history would have ended the Gore Campaign in 2004. Look at the facts:

William Jennings Bryan lost twice to McKinley

Adlai Stevenson lost twice to Eisenhower

Thomas Dewey ran twice in a row (1944,1948) and lost to FDR and Truman

In the first 2 examples the incumbant was extremely popular.  In the third, Dewey hardly did any campaigning.

In 1944 Dewey did a lot of campaigning.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2004, 06:51:32 PM »

I think history would have ended the Gore Campaign in 2004. Look at the facts:

William Jennings Bryan lost twice to McKinley

Adlai Stevenson lost twice to Eisenhower

Thomas Dewey ran twice in a row (1944,1948) and lost to FDR and Truman

Look at Andrew Jackon 1828, and Grover Cleveland 1892. If you won the popular vote, but lost the electoral vote, and then ran against the same guy 4 years later, you won.

That was due to Jackson being a war hero in 1828, but still a good point.

Only 3 times in American history (1828, 1840, and 1892) have defeated candidates won in a rematch against the incumbent, not too good of chancs for Gore.
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2004, 12:42:53 AM »

Can you imagine if Gore ran in 04, the election came down to Florida again,... it would be like a horrible nightmare.
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