Will McCain pull out Pennsylvania?

[LanceMcSteel]

Or will he still try to pretend he is aiming to win to save the GOP from another humiliating Michigan debacle?

[exopolitician]

Or will he still try to pretend he is aiming to win to save the GOP from another humiliating Michigan debacle?

If he does decide to pull out of Pennsylvania, he won't announce it like he did with Michigan. Though, I dunno how it wouln't go unnoticed if he did.

[Angel of Death]

He should have pulled out of Pennsylvania BEFORE Michigan.

[LanceMcSteel]

He should have pulled out of Pennsylvania BEFORE Michigan.

Well Michigan is 1-2% more Democratic historically than Pennsylvania, but that isnt saying much considering neither are remotely close this election cycle. I think McCain knows he will lose PA, but will feign playing offense there and in MN,WI and IA (despite being down 10 points in all of them) so the corporate mainstream media maybe can parrot the false meme that the race is close and McCain is playing offense.

[Lunar]

Obama, Biden, Clinton, and Palin have all campaigned there in the last two days.

I'm going to say not.

[wildfood]

After the bad publicity from Michigan I doubt he would pull out there...maybe slow down a lot.

But without both Pa. and Fl. I don't think he has a chance.

[wadeglade]

I think he will go with another strategy for this one.

[BlueSwan]

He's staying till the bitter end.

[cinyc]

Obama, Biden, Clinton, and Palin have all campaigned there in the last two days.

I'm going to say not.

Yup.  Just like in Iowa, McCain's internals must be showing something we don't see.  But unlike in Iowa, in Pennsylvania, Obama's internals apparently agree if he and Joe Biden are spending time in the state.

Watching where the candidates go and why often tells you more than the polls.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Or will he still try to pretend he is aiming to win to save the GOP from another humiliating Michigan debacle?

If he does decide to pull out of Pennsylvania, he won't announce it like he did with Michigan. Though, I dunno how it wouln't go unnoticed if he did.

McCain did NOT announce it - that whole situation was messed up.  I think he probably should've pulled out of PA and put more attention into MI.  Now, I don't see him coming back in MI, so I don't think it matters, unless he's gonna try to win over FL, NH, and VA (assuming he can already win OH and NV).

[MR maverick]

Pa voted for Kerry and he's more of a libreal wimp then Obama.  So i don't see why not pull out of PA because the urban vote is where he's going to crushed at.

Then again their intrenals might be showing something  .. a loss LOL

He better start campaigning in VA before his campaign office there is knocked over and replaced by a starbucks.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

He's staying till the bitter end.

Now excuse me while I go cling to my gun and bible.

[TomC]

He cannot pull out of Pennsylvania.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Obama, Biden, Clinton, and Palin have all campaigned there in the last two days.

I'm going to say not.

Yup.  Just like in Iowa, McCain's internals must be showing something we don't see.  But unlike in Iowa, in Pennsylvania, Obama's internals apparently agree if he and Joe Biden are spending time in the state.

Watching where the candidates go and why often tells you more than the polls.

you're assuming that the McCain campaign is based on logic and not on it's candidate's impulses.

[LanceMcSteel]

Pa voted for Kerry and he's more of a libreal wimp then Obama.  So i don't see why not pull out of PA because the urban vote is where he's going to crushed at.

Then again their intrenals might be showing something  .. a loss LOL

He better start campaigning in VA before his campaign office there is knocked over and replaced by a starbucks.

hhahaha nice post

I dont see how blue collar voters accepted effete french elitist John Kerry yet will somehow reject the peoples champion, Barack Obama.

[Keystone Phil]

Pa voted for Kerry and he's more of a libreal wimp then Obama. 

[TheGlobalizer]

If numbers stay where they are, yes, but not more than a week before the election.

He doesn't need PA, but he needs it to stay in play.

[Frodo]

He should -McCain will be better off shoring up the states that he should be winning, i.e. Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Missouri, West Virginia, and Indiana.  Given his limited resources, he doesn't have much choice.  If he is going down in defeat, he might as well lose holding as many states Bush won as possible, particularly in the South and in the border states to avoid making his likely loss to Obama more humiliating than it ought to be.   

[TheGlobalizer]

He should -McCain will be better off shoring up the states that he should be winning, i.e. Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Missouri, West Virginia, and Indiana.  Given his limited resources, he doesn't have much choice.  If he is going down in defeat, he might as well lose holding as many states Bush won as possible, particularly in the South and in the border states to avoid making his likely loss to Obama more humiliating than it ought to be.   

Disagree.  If the national numbers swing back in his favor, he could do damage in PA.  If not, he loses anyway.

[Frodo]

He should -McCain will be better off shoring up the states that he should be winning, i.e. Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Missouri, West Virginia, and Indiana.  Given his limited resources, he doesn't have much choice.  If he is going down in defeat, he might as well lose holding as many states Bush won as possible, particularly in the South and in the border states to avoid making his likely loss to Obama more humiliating than it ought to be.   

Disagree.  If the national numbers swing back in his favor, he could do damage in PA.  If not, he loses anyway.

McCain has a better chance of winning Ohio than he does on winning Pennsylvania.  Even Bush couldn't win the state. 

[TheGlobalizer]

He should -McCain will be better off shoring up the states that he should be winning, i.e. Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Missouri, West Virginia, and Indiana.  Given his limited resources, he doesn't have much choice.  If he is going down in defeat, he might as well lose holding as many states Bush won as possible, particularly in the South and in the border states to avoid making his likely loss to Obama more humiliating than it ought to be.   

Disagree.  If the national numbers swing back in his favor, he could do damage in PA.  If not, he loses anyway.

McCain has a better chance of winning Ohio than he does on winning Pennsylvania.  Even Bush couldn't win the state. 

Of course.  McCain will win Ohio.

[Lunar]

Obama, Biden, Clinton, and Palin have all campaigned there in the last two days.

I'm going to say not.

Yup.  Just like in Iowa, McCain's internals must be showing something we don't see.  But unlike in Iowa, in Pennsylvania, Obama's internals apparently agree if he and Joe Biden are spending time in the state.

Watching where the candidates go and why often tells you more than the polls.

you're assuming that the McCain campaign is based on logic and not on it's candidate's impulses.

Which is a good working assumption considering that the campaign has a LOT more information and analytical capabilities than individual forum posters online   When in doubt, assuming that they are irrational is simply silly.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Right now Obama leads by about 10-12 pts in the all the polls that have been coming out of PA recently.  But honestly, like I've been saying, does that make any sense?  Look at Kerry 2004. 

-Philly's already maxed out, the city goes 80% for the Dem every time.  Obama's not going to able to improve THAT much.

-Central PA is going to be brutal for him

-Do you see Obama doing better than Kerry in the Pittsburgh area?  I don't. 

So basically, were supposed to believe Obama is picking up TEN points in the state overall from the Philly 'burbs.  Maybe 4 or 5.... not 10. 

I would say that it is very likely that the internals are showing PA reasonably close to the nat'l average... close enough for McCain to stay because he need to close the national gap to win anyway.  Michigan is too stubborn... there was no way McCain was winning it... and if he did it's not like he would've needed it. 

PA is not going to be a 55-43 Obama blowout like the polls show right now.  McCain's chances of winning are beyond slim... but on election day I see McCain doing reasonably well consider that he's looking at a 6 pt loss nationally right now. 

I'll call it 53-45 Obama. 

[Tender Branson]

Right now Obama leads by about 10-12 pts in the all the polls that have been coming out of PA recently.  But honestly, like I've been saying, does that make any sense?  Look at Kerry 2004. 

-Philly's already maxed out, the city goes 80% for the Dem every time.  Obama's not going to able to improve THAT much.

-Central PA is going to be brutal for him

-Do you see Obama doing better than Kerry in the Pittsburgh area?  I don't. 

So basically, were supposed to believe Obama is picking up TEN points in the state overall from the Philly 'burbs.  Maybe 4 or 5.... not 10. 

I would say that it is very likely that the internals are showing PA reasonably close to the nat'l average... close enough for McCain to stay because he need to close the national gap to win anyway.  Michigan is too stubborn... there was no way McCain was winning it... and if he did it's not like he would've needed it. 

PA is not going to be a 55-43 Obama blowout like the polls show right now.  McCain's chances of winning are beyond slim... but on election day I see McCain doing reasonably well consider that he's looking at a 6 pt loss nationally right now. 

I'll call it 53-45 Obama. 

Take a look at the Casey vs. Santorum map.

If current trends continue, it won't be much different with Obama vs. McCain ...

[Lunar]

Right now Obama leads by about 10-12 pts in the all the polls that have been coming out of PA recently.  But honestly, like I've been saying, does that make any sense?  Look at Kerry 2004. 

-Philly's already maxed out, the city goes 80% for the Dem every time.  Obama's not going to able to improve THAT much.

-Central PA is going to be brutal for him

-Do you see Obama doing better than Kerry in the Pittsburgh area?  I don't. 

So basically, were supposed to believe Obama is picking up TEN points in the state overall from the Philly 'burbs.  Maybe 4 or 5.... not 10. 

I would say that it is very likely that the internals are showing PA reasonably close to the nat'l average... close enough for McCain to stay because he need to close the national gap to win anyway.  Michigan is too stubborn... there was no way McCain was winning it... and if he did it's not like he would've needed it. 

PA is not going to be a 55-43 Obama blowout like the polls show right now.  McCain's chances of winning are beyond slim... but on election day I see McCain doing reasonably well consider that he's looking at a 6 pt loss nationally right now. 

I'll call it 53-45 Obama. 

Take a look at the Casey vs. Santorum map.

If current trends continue, it won't be much different with Obama vs. McCain ...

Actually, you should use a Rendell map instead.