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« Reply #125 on: October 09, 2008, 01:35:49 PM »

Your side is the one saying Ayers is fair game but McCain isn't a Bush clone.

Why are the two statements mutually exclusive?  Linking McCain to Bush may be fair game, but McCain isn't a Bush clone.   Just because you try to make a link doesn't mean it's successful.


Beating it to a pulp isn't going to help McCain any. The issue was brought up during the primaries and everyone moved on. Everyday the McCain campaign doesnt focus entirely on the economy and whats at stake, and continues to make a fool of themselves. They lose.

It's sad seeing the Republicans resort to desperation at a time like this. Pretty selfish id say.

We'll see about that.  So-called negative ads tend to work.  And just because an issue was brought up during the primaries doesn't mean it's off the table.  I wasn't paying attention to your primary, nor were many Independents.  Everyone hasn't moved on.  This stuff is new to people.

How many times are we going to hear Obama and McCain repeat the same things over and over again about the economy anyway?
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« Reply #126 on: October 09, 2008, 01:40:00 PM »

Your side is the one saying Ayers is fair game but McCain isn't a Bush clone.

Why are the two statements mutually exclusive?  Linking McCain to Bush may be fair game, but McCain isn't a Bush clone.   Just because you try to make a link doesn't mean it's successful.


Beating it to a pulp isn't going to help McCain any. The issue was brought up during the primaries and everyone moved on. Everyday the McCain campaign doesnt focus entirely on the economy and whats at stake, and continues to make a fool of themselves. They lose.

It's sad seeing the Republicans resort to desperation at a time like this. Pretty selfish id say.

We'll see about that.  So-called negative ads tend to work.  And just because an issue was brought up during the primaries doesn't mean it's off the table.  I wasn't paying attention to your primary, nor were many Independents.  Everyone hasn't moved on.  This stuff is new to people.

How many times are we going to hear Obama and McCain repeat the same things over and over again about the economy anyway?

Because the economy is in the tank and thats what voters are worried about? Thats the real issue at hand, not a stupid smear campaign.

Slowly your little campaign slogan of "Country First" is turning into one massive load of bs. None of this is about "Country First"....its more along the lines of "lets alienate the electorate and make Obama look extremely dangerous so WE can win....First".

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« Reply #127 on: October 09, 2008, 01:45:18 PM »

This is reminding me more and more of the closing days of 1992, when Bush Sr. started trying to imply that Clinton was a communist sleeper agent.   It's a desperation tactic.  I voted for Bush Sr. in '88, and had planned to vote for him in '92 - but moves like that one convinced me to change my mind.

I can see how this might be a decent tactical move for McCain, but a strategically dangerous one for the GOP - in presidential elections what counts at the end is who gets the win, the margin of victory doesn't make change the outcome for the executive branch.  However, although losing with respect or failing miserably after repeated hail Mary's doesn't change the possession of the white house, it can harm the GOP on countless downticket races.  If respectable conservatives stay home in disgust at his shenanigans, it also affects races from dogcatcher to senate.
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« Reply #128 on: October 09, 2008, 01:53:43 PM »

Your side is the one saying Ayers is fair game but McCain isn't a Bush clone.

Why are the two statements mutually exclusive?  Linking McCain to Bush may be fair game, but McCain isn't a Bush clone.   Just because you try to make a link doesn't mean it's successful.


Beating it to a pulp isn't going to help McCain any. The issue was brought up during the primaries and everyone moved on. Everyday the McCain campaign doesnt focus entirely on the economy and whats at stake, and continues to make a fool of themselves. They lose.

It's sad seeing the Republicans resort to desperation at a time like this. Pretty selfish id say.

We'll see about that.  So-called negative ads tend to work.  And just because an issue was brought up during the primaries doesn't mean it's off the table.  I wasn't paying attention to your primary, nor were many Independents.  Everyone hasn't moved on.  This stuff is new to people.

How many times are we going to hear Obama and McCain repeat the same things over and over again about the economy anyway?

Really? Most of the Republicans I know were, and with a deep sense of Schanefreude. Furthermore, Ayers and Wright have been mentioned on conservative talk radio every day since March, and Wright got wall-to-wall media coverage for almost two months. It's inconceivable that there's a large segment of swing voters who don't know who he is.
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« Reply #129 on: October 09, 2008, 01:54:23 PM »

I think McCain is pushing more voters away then he's winning over.
 
He's let the old Bush people handle his campaign and they are screwing the old man over.

WAKE UP MCCAIN !!
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« Reply #130 on: October 09, 2008, 01:55:58 PM »

I think McCain is pushing more voters away then he's winning over.
 
He's let the old Bush people handle his campaign and they are screwing the old man over.

WAKE UP MCCAIN !!

McCain only has himself to blame.
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« Reply #131 on: October 09, 2008, 03:29:57 PM »
« Edited: October 10, 2008, 06:24:25 PM by jmfcst »

why do I get the feeling I'm going to be disappointed?

You don't think he's going to dump Palin from the ticket, do you?  I would tell you that's NOT going to happen.  But given your prediction track record?  Well...let's just say I won't be arguing with you!  LOL

Seriously -- I suspect it will be an economic plan.  Or maybe he'll say, "I shall go to Afghanistan."

no, he would never dump Palin...just figured he was hyping a mole hill
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« Reply #132 on: October 09, 2008, 04:49:41 PM »

Funny thing is: Ayers was Chicago's citizen of the year in 1997, and is a professor. I wonder why someone who is a terrorist never went to prison.

Whoever is getting hyped about this news: That is really pathetic.
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« Reply #133 on: October 09, 2008, 04:59:01 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2008, 05:02:09 PM by Politico »

Your side is the one saying Ayers is fair game but McCain isn't a Bush clone.

Why are the two statements mutually exclusive?  Linking McCain to Bush may be fair game, but McCain isn't a Bush clone.   Just because you try to make a link doesn't mean it's successful.

Republican McCain is going to bring about change after eight years of Republican Bush, whom McCain endorsed and supported 90% of the time? Meanwhile, we should talk about things that somebody from Chicago did when Obama was eight years old and not even living in Chicago at the time?

This is what you call "Republican Logic." Let's talk about the failed Republican record of the past eight years instead of what happened when Obama was eight years old.
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« Reply #134 on: October 09, 2008, 05:02:23 PM »

Funny thing is: Ayers was Chicago's citizen of the year in 1997, and is a professor. I wonder why someone who is a terrorist never went to prison.

Whoever is getting hyped about this news: That is really pathetic.

IIRC, the case against him was thrown out because the government had gathered some of its evidence illegally.
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« Reply #135 on: October 09, 2008, 05:03:04 PM »

I disapprove of McCain running this ad.
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« Reply #136 on: October 09, 2008, 05:10:51 PM »

Your side is the one saying Ayers is fair game but McCain isn't a Bush clone.

Why are the two statements mutually exclusive?  Linking McCain to Bush may be fair game, but McCain isn't a Bush clone.   Just because you try to make a link doesn't mean it's successful.

Republican McCain is going to bring about change after eight years of Republican Bush, whom McCain endorsed and supported 90% of the time? Meanwhile, we should talk about things that somebody from Chicago did when Obama was eight years old and not even living in Chicago at the time?

This is what you call "Republican Logic." Let's talk about the failed Republican record of the past eight years instead of what happened when Obama was eight years old.

The "failed Republican record" of the past eight years includes a Democrat-controlled Congress for the past two years, which is far more unpopular than the President.  It includes a Democrat-controlled Senate for a number of years before that.  But the Congress isn't culpable.  That's what you call "Democrat Logic".

We're NOT talking about what happened when Obama was eight years old.  We're talking about what happened when Obama was 30-45 years old, associating himself with unsavory radical individuals despite their terrorist past.  We're talking about Barack Obama's CURRENT lack of candor and honesty when discussing his association with radicals.  We're talking about Barack Obama's outright REFUSAL to discuss his days at Columbia or Harvard Law School.  If Obama's community organizing past is fair game for Obama to bring up because it's supposed to make him the new Jesus Christ on Earth, what he did after that is also relevant.

We SHOULD talk about Barack Obama's past radical associations.   Ayers is but the tip of the iceberg.   Why?  Because,  as your Vice Presidential candidate said, past is prologue.  Obama has no real record to campaign on.  He's been on the national stage as U.S. Senator for 3 years, during 2 of which he's been largely absent because he's been out campaigning.
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« Reply #137 on: October 09, 2008, 05:14:22 PM »

IIRC, the case against him was thrown out because the government had gathered some of its evidence illegally.
If he was a real terrorist, he would have gone to prison nonetheless.
Even his wife got away with probation.
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« Reply #138 on: October 09, 2008, 05:18:56 PM »

IIRC, the case against him was thrown out because the government had gathered some of its evidence illegally.
If he was a real terrorist, he would have gone to prison nonetheless.
Even his wife got away with probation.

Not exactly.  His wife went to jail for refusing to testify in the Nyack armed robbery case.  Two police officers died in the Nyack armored car heist.
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« Reply #139 on: October 09, 2008, 05:26:34 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2008, 05:30:33 PM by daboese »

If she would have testified, even she wouldn't have gone to jail.
It's simple as that.
A great terrorist you have there. Talk about many things, the fact that McCain has many good sides. But that is just pathetic.
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« Reply #140 on: October 09, 2008, 05:30:18 PM »

You do not have to go to jail, in order to be a terrorist.
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« Reply #141 on: October 09, 2008, 05:31:14 PM »

No, but if you have been a terrorist, you will get sentenced for that.
Otherwise you would say that anyone can go around and bomb buildings and get away with that.
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