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John Dibble
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2004, 10:58:04 PM »

A resounding yes to each and every one of these - and it the country would be so much improved by it!

Why isn't your avatar yellow? Wink
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2004, 11:13:33 PM »

A resounding yes to each and every one of these - and it the country would be so much improved by it!

I only really disagree with people buying rocket launchers and the like.  You can shoot an AK47 at targets for fun and you can defend your home (sort of).  You can't do either with grenades or plastic explosives.

I have to admit that was the only one of the choices that gave me pause..  but I'm very committed to the others.
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2004, 11:14:54 PM »

A resounding yes to each and every one of these - and it the country would be so much improved by it!

Why isn't your avatar yellow? Wink

It should be, domestically speaking.  I'm a bit more Republican on foreign affairs I suspect.
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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2004, 11:20:18 PM »


Adultery: Yes
Pornography: Yes
Sodomy: Yes
Gay Marriage: Yes
Polygamy: Yes
Prostitution: Yes
Cigarettes: Yes
Alcohol: Yes
Marijuana: Yes
Hard Drugs: Yes
Gambling: Yes
Assault Weapons: No
Explosives: No
Pistols: No
Rifles: No
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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2004, 11:28:32 PM »

A resounding yes to each and every one of these - and it the country would be so much improved by it!

Why isn't your avatar yellow? Wink

It should be, domestically speaking.  I'm a bit more Republican on foreign affairs I suspect.

Just be sure to cast a few Libertarian votes. Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2004, 11:55:06 PM »

If you believe in states rights deciding the issues, then ask yourself whether the states should legalize the following.  This isn't asking whether each item is immoral, simply whether or not it's the government's responsibility to outlaw them.  Note, some items are currently legal.

Simply copy and paste this into your post and add "yes" and "no" next to each item.  I suppose some of you might have conditional answers (legalize medical marijuana but not the rest), but try to judge whether you fall closer to the "yes" or "no" catagory.


Adultery: Yes
Pornography: Yes
Sodomy: Yes
Gay Marriage: Yes
Polygamy: No
Prostitution: Yes
Cigarettes: Yes
Alcohol: Yes
Marijuana: Yes
Hard Drugs: Yes
Gambling: Yes
Assault Weapons: No
Explosives: No
Pistols: Yes
Rifles: Yes
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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2004, 12:36:09 AM »

Adultery: Civil action for breaking the standard marriage contract.  Would allow fora  prenuputal agreement to reduce or remove the penalty.
Pornography: Legal (but more regulated than now.)
Sodomy: Legal
Gay Marriage: Legal
Polygamy: Legal (but not bigamy, a person should only be in one marriage, no matter how many people are in it.)
Prostitution: Legal, but taxed and regulated.
Cigarettes: Legal, but taxed and regulated.
Alcohol: Legal, but taxed and regulated.
Marijuana: Legal, but taxed and regulated.
Hard Drugs: Legal, but taxed and highly regulated.
Gambling: Legal, but taxed and regulated and no state run lotteries.
Assault Weapons: Legal, but highly regulated.
Explosives: Legal, but highly regulated.
Pistols: Legal
Rifles: Legal

As you can see I have a rather libetarian bent.  What keeps me from being a Libertarian is that while I believe that almost anything that doesn't cause direct harm should be legal, I'm not as anti-government as the Libertarians are with respect to social programs.  I believe in allowing people to make mistakes so long as they cause no harm to others, but when they do cross the law, the punishment should be harsh.  For example, I believe that capital punishment should apply to all cases of homicide in the commission of a felony, and while I would allow a wide variety of intoxicants to be legal, I would keep DUI as a felony, so please don't drink and drive!  The live you save could be your own.
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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2004, 01:38:49 AM »
« Edited: September 12, 2004, 02:27:45 AM by jmfcst »

Adultery: "Yes" - no criminal charges...and...."No" adulterers should be open to civil lawsuits
Pornography: Yes
Sodomy: Yes
Gay Marriage: No
Polygamy: No
Prostitution: No
Cigarettes: Yes
Alcohol: Yes
Marijuana: No
Hard Drugs: No
Gambling: Yes
Assault Weapons: No
Explosives: No
Pistols: Yes
Rifles: Yes

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Looks like I win the prize for being the poster who is the closest to the opinion of majority of Americans.

How ironic that I am considered one of the most extreme posters on this forum, when in reality, I am the most moderate.

If I am such the bad guy, why are the people on my side?

Confusing times, heh?
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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2004, 01:46:55 AM »

Adultery: No
Pornography: Yes
Sodomy: Yes
Gay Marriage: No
Polygamy: No
Prostitution: No
Cigarettes: Yes
Alcohol: Yes
Marijuana: No
Hard Drugs: No
Gambling: Yes
Assault Weapons: No
Explosives: No
Pistols: Yes
Rifles: Yes

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Looks like I win the prize for being the poster who is the closest to the opinion of majority of Americans.

How ironic that I am considered one of the most extreme posters on this forum, when in reality, I am the most moderate.

If I am such the bad guy, why are the people on my side?

Confusing times, heh?

Thanks, Jmf.  I don't need to answer anymore.  You just did it for me.  Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2004, 01:50:28 AM »


Thanks, Jmf.  I don't need to answer anymore.  You just did it for me.  Smiley

Bud, looks like you, Sen Nation, and I are the most moderate on this forum!
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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2004, 01:55:30 AM »


Thanks, Jmf.  I don't need to answer anymore.  You just did it for me.  Smiley

Bud, looks like you, Sen Nation, and I are the most moderate on this forum!

(Shrug) I think, perhapes we might be the most pragmatic, at least.
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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2004, 01:55:38 AM »

Adultery: Yes
Pornography: Yes
Sodomy: Yes
Gay Marriage: Yes
Polygamy: No
Prostitution: Yes
Cigarettes: Yes
Alcohol: Yes
Marijuana: Yes
Hard Drugs: No
Gambling: Yes
Assault Weapons: Over my dead body.
Explosives: No
Pistols: No
Rifles: No
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« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2004, 01:57:05 AM »

Adultery: No
Pornography: Yes
Sodomy: Yes
Gay Marriage: No
Polygamy: No
Prostitution: No
Cigarettes: Yes
Alcohol: Yes
Marijuana: No
Hard Drugs: No
Gambling: Yes
Assault Weapons: No
Explosives: No
Pistols: Yes
Rifles: Yes

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Looks like I win the prize for being the poster who is the closest to the opinion of majority of Americans.

How ironic that I am considered one of the most extreme posters on this forum, when in reality, I am the most moderate.

If I am such the bad guy, why are the people on my side?

Confusing times, heh?

I must admit, I'm a bit surprised at your positions on assault weapons, and to a lesser extent, pornography and gambling. You aren't as conservative as I thought.

I believe that adultery is immoral, but I don't see the value in making it illegal....I don't really want to have bedroom police. Those who commit adultery get more than enough punishment from their spouses already, I see no value in involving government.
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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2004, 02:02:38 AM »

Adultery:  No
Pornography:  No
Sodomy:  No
Gay Marriage:  No
Polygamy:  No
Prostitution:  No
Cigarettes:  No
Alcohol:  No
Marijuana:  No
Hard Drugs:  No
Gambling:  No
Assault Weapons:  No
Explosives:  No
Pistols:  Yes
Rifles:  Yes

I fail to see what would be gained by banning cigarettes or alcohol...Prohibition was already tried once.....and as for cigarettes, that's not exactly going to go over too well either, and you'll just drive it underground, like alcohol.
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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2004, 02:19:47 AM »

Adultery: Yes
Pornography: Yes
Sodomy: Yes
Gay Marriage: Yes
Polygamy: Yes
Prostitution: Yes
Cigarettes: Yes
Alcohol: Yes
Marijuana: Yes
Hard Drugs: Yes
Gambling: Yes
Assault Weapons: No
Explosives: No
Pistols: Yes
Rifles: Yes

An addendum I should add is that I believe that some of these should definitely have regulation put on them (e.g., drugs, alcohol, and firearms); however, they should be ultimately legal.
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« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2004, 02:25:01 AM »
« Edited: September 12, 2004, 02:31:22 AM by jmfcst »

I must admit, I'm a bit surprised at your positions on assault weapons

There is no need to own an assault weapon for protection (unless you think you're going to be attacked by a whole army) or hunting.  A 12-guage shot-gun is perfect for home protection; and if loaded with the right kind of shells, there is no danger of a bullet passing through a wall and killing a loved one.  Also, simply the sound of the pump action of a shotgun is enough to scare 99% of intruders away.

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and to a lesser extent, pornography and gambling. You aren't as conservative as I thought.

I don't believe gambling is sinful, but I do think pornography is sinful if the subject of the pornography is not a spouse.  But just because I think pornography is sinful doesn't mean I want cops snooping around private property.

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I believe that adultery is immoral, but I don't see the value in making it illegal....I don't really want to have bedroom police. Those who commit adultery get more than enough punishment from their spouses already, I see no value in involving government.

I should rephrase my "No" answer on Adultery.  I don't want to criminalize it, but I do believe it should be the a valid reason for lawsuits - a spouse should be able to take an adulterer to civil court.
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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2004, 02:42:23 AM »

I must admit, I'm a bit surprised at your positions on assault weapons

There is no need to own a assault weapon for protection (unless you think you're going to be attacked by a whole army) or hunting.  A 12-guage shot-gun is perfect for home protection; and if loaded with the right kind of shells, there is no danger of a bullet passing through a wall and killing a loved one.  Also, simply the sound of the pump action of a shotgun is enough to scare 99% of intruders away.

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and to a lesser extent, pornography and gambling. You aren't as conservative as I thought.

I don't believe gambling is sinful, but I do think pornography is sinful if the subject of the pornography is not a spouse.  But just because I think pornography is sinful doesn't mean I want cops snooping around private property.

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I believe that adultery is immoral, but I don't see the value in making it illegal....I don't really want to have bedroom police. Those who commit adultery get more than enough punishment from their spouses already, I see no value in involving government.

I should rephrase my "No" answer on Adultery.  I don't want to criminalize it, but I do believe it should be the a valid reason for lawsuits - a spouse should be able to take an adulterer to civil court.

I agree with you on everything here! On gun control, I think that a gun should be illegal if it has no legitimate hunting, sporting, or self-defense purpose. As you say, assault weapons don't pass this test.

On adultery, I would also agree that it should put the adulterer at a disadvantage in divorce court and such. It should definitely be considered as a factor in any such proceedings that may follow.

I don't believe that there's anything wrong with pornography as long as the subject of the pictures consented to them being taken, though I personally have no interest in it whatsoever. I don't think that it should be legal for minors to purchase.
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« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2004, 03:32:47 AM »
« Edited: September 12, 2004, 03:33:26 AM by Lunar »

I'd leave this country if it every became this majority morality police that some of you guys want, heh.  

Making alcohol illegal was proven not to work in the prohibition (drugs is proven every day).  And then bedroom police scare the hell out of me.  Who wants the federal government controlling who they can and can't have sex with?

My little rant.
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« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2004, 03:58:58 AM »


Adultery: Yes
Pornography: Yes
Sodomy: Yes
Gay Marriage: Yes
Polygamy: Yes(in thse two I agree that government should not be involved in marriage at all)
Prostitution: Yes
Cigarettes: Yes
Alcohol: Yes
Marijuana: Yes
Hard Drugs: Yes
Gambling: Yes
Assault Weapons: Yes
Explosives: Yes
Pistols: Yes
Rifles: Yes
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« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2004, 06:08:31 AM »

Adultery: Yes
Pornography: Yes
Sodomy: Yes, with the consent of the animal involved. Or did you mean anal intercourse? Yes
Gay Marriage: Yes - though I don't care if it's called marriage as long as there's equal benefits, and I'd like it even better if equal benefits meant no benefits
Polygamy: Yes. Never thought about this before, though, but these would appear to be the logical position
Prostitution: Yes
Cigarettes: Yes
Alcohol: Yes
Marijuana: Yes
Hard Drugs: No
Gambling: Yes
Assault Weapons: No
Explosives: No
Pistols: Yes
Rifles: Yes
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« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2004, 06:55:41 AM »

Adultery: Yes (but should be grounds for divorce etc)
Pornography: Yes (unless it involves Kids, Corpses, etc)
Sodomy: Yes (incedentially, Anal penatration between men and women is still illegal in the U.K)
Gay Marriage: Sort of. Same Sex couples should have all the legal recognition/benifits/next of kin status as Married couples without using the word "Marriage"
Polygamy: Tough one... back in the C19th, polygamy was *very* common over here, as divorces cost a hellofalot of money (this is the case with my Great Great Grandad actually) Juries almost never convicted. Really it's a waste of the States time bothering to prosecute.
Prostitution: It's a waste of the States time bothering to prosecute Prostitutes... Pimps should be cracked down on though.
Cigarettes: Yes, but banned in workplaces. And taxed.
Alcohol: Prohibition doesn't work. Oddly enough, the Llyn Peninsular in North Wales is still dry on Sundays.
Marijuana: Decriminalised but not legal
Hard Drugs: Illegal. Dealers should get life
Gambling: Depends... I hate Casino's but I don't see nowt wrong with betting on sport (though match fixers should also get life)
Assault Weapons: Illegal
Explosives: Illegal
Pistols: Depends
Rifles: Legal
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« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2004, 08:22:52 AM »

Gambling: Depends... I hate Casino's but I don't see nowt wrong with betting on sport (though match fixers should also get life)


So let me see if I got this striahgt. You hate casinos, so you think no one should be able to enjoy them? Sounds like authocracy!
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« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2004, 09:29:29 AM »

Adultery: YES
Pornography: YES
Sodomy: YES
Gay Marriage: YES
Polygamy: NO
Prostitution: NO
Cigarettes: YES
Alcohol: YES
Marijuana: YES
Hard Drugs: NO
Gambling: YES
Assault Weapons: NO
Explosives: NO
Pistols: NO
Rifles: YES
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« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2004, 03:52:25 PM »

Adultery: n--tears apart marriages
Pornography: n--same as above
Sodomy: n
Gay Marriage: n--those two words should not be paired together
Polygamy: n
Prostitution: n
Cigarettes: y--if people want to kill themselves, go for it
Alcohol: y
Marijuana: y--if people truly desire to screw up their lives, hey, w/e!
Hard Drugs: uhhh i guess n
Gambling: n
Assault Weapons: n
Explosives: n--fireworks excepted
Pistols: Y
Rifles: Y
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« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2004, 03:56:09 PM »

Adultery: n--tears apart marriages
Pornography: n--same as above
Sodomy: n
Gay Marriage: n--those two words should not be paired together
Polygamy: n
Prostitution: n
Cigarettes: y--if people want to kill themselves, go for it
Alcohol: y
Marijuana: y--if people truly desire to screw up their lives, hey, w/e!
Hard Drugs: uhhh i guess n
Gambling: n
Assault Weapons: n
Explosives: n--fireworks excepted
Pistols: Y
Rifles: Y

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