All-Proportional Senate Constitutional Amendment (Failed)

[Verily]

Aye, whatever

[Sensei]

-clears throat- nay

[Filuwaúrdjan]

aye

[minionofmidas]

Current Vote count:
Aye 3 (Lewis, Verily, Al)
Nay 2 (Sensei, Dwtl)
Abstain (voted) 0
Abstain (yet to vote) 5 (Culture, Bacon, Jas, Torie, Meeker)

[Јas]

Aye

[Meeker]

Nay

[Torie]

Nay

[minionofmidas]

This has enough votes to fail. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.

[CultureKing]

nay

[Brandon H]

I once proposed a second house in the legislative branch, but after doing some math, to make it mean anything, something like 3/4 of all registered voters would end up holding seats.

The other idea I had that never went anywhere was to make all persons who are not a Senator, President, or Vice-President would be members of the lower house. But that would take the emphasis off of Senatorial Elections.

[Хahar 🤔]

Well, this would be a very small house, an upper house rather than a lower one, and wouldn't add any additional offices.

[Lief 🗽]

I don't really get the argument that doing this would kill off the regions. As far as I can tell, Senate elections are pretty separate from the other aspects of regional government, except as a way for Governors and Lt. Governors to move up the political ladder. If there's a problem with regional activity, keeping regional Senate seats will have very little impact on it.

[minionofmidas]

The other idea I had that never went anywhere was to make all persons who are not a Senator, President, or Vice-President would be members of the lower house. But that would take the emphasis off of Senatorial Elections.

I support something like that, though only on condition of abolishing the regions - holding a popular vote on every single bill (except Senate procedural resolutions). That way, the Senate could vote on any issue (unlike today, where lots of interesting issues are either haphazardly or not at all dealt with because they're the regions'), but everything they decide needs ratification by the people. The actual drafting of bills - amending them etc - would remain the Senate's province.

I don't really get the argument that doing this would kill off the regions. As far as I can tell, Senate elections are pretty separate from the other aspects of regional government, except as a way for Governors and Lt. Governors to move up the political ladder. If there's a problem with regional activity, keeping regional Senate seats will have very little impact on it.

Actually... in very small regions, it frees one active inhabitant of the region to run for regional office and thus helps with regional activity.
If it's ever passed but the regions are never abolished, that is. But as it seems I'm almost alone in wanting to get rid of them...


Oh yeah. This Amendment has failed.

Final vote count (Culture was outside the 24 hour window):

Aye 4 (Lewis, Verily, Al, Jas)
Nay 4 (Sensei, Dwtl, Meeker, Torie)
Abstain (voted) 0
Abstain (did not vote) 2 (the Kings)

[minionofmidas]

I'm not reintroducing it right now because, as there is no other Forum Affairs or Emergency legislation in the queue, it would go back on the floor immediately, and I want to spare myself the feeling of rejection.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Maybe if you're re-elected, you should call it "Amendment to Sh**t can the Regional Senators."