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minionofmidas
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« on: September 23, 2008, 05:35:14 AM »
« edited: October 05, 2008, 03:22:39 AM by Nothing has meaning. Least of all you. »
Quote from: Senator Lewis Trondheim, PPT, HP on September 09, 2008, 06:54:49 AM
Constitutional Amendment to create an all-proportional Senate, Mk. II

That the following changes be made to the Atlasian Constitution:

1. Article I, Section 1, Clause 2 shall be amended to read as follows: No person shall be a Senator who has not attained a hundred or more posts.

2. Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 shall be amended to read as follows: The Senate shall be divided into two classes: Class A and Class B, both of which shall be elected by a form of proportional representation.

3. Article I, Section 4, Clause 4 shall be amended to read as follows: If a vacancy shall occur in any Senate seat, then a special election shall be called to fill the remainder of the vacant term within one week of the vacancy occurring.

4. Article I, Section 4, Clause 5 shall be amended to read as follows: However, if a vacancy shall occur less than two weeks before the end of the term in question, then no special election shall be necessary.

Sponsor: Lewis Trondheim


Same as last time.
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DownWithTheLeft
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2008, 05:52:37 AM »
Nope
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2008, 12:57:01 PM »
No
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2008, 02:53:24 PM »
Talk about wasting the senate's time... Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2008, 03:01:28 PM »
Motion to table
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2008, 03:09:41 PM »
Wouldn't it make more sense to have all ten senators elected in the same class?
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2008, 03:11:37 PM »
Seconded if that's necessary
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2008, 03:27:08 PM »
Do we start voting, or do we wait for the PPT to announce a commencement of the vote?  What happens if the PPT never does that?
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2008, 03:27:43 PM »
Quote from: Bacon King on September 23, 2008, 03:09:41 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to have all ten senators elected in the same class?
No, it would make sense to maintain 5 national senators and 5 regional senators
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2008, 07:52:37 PM »
No again.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2008, 07:53:56 PM »
Current senators stating opposition: 5 (DWTL, Meeker, CK, Sensei, Torie)

Can we stop this?  Lewis please be reasonable and withdraw this
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2008, 10:49:48 PM »
Quote from: Sen. DWTL on September 23, 2008, 03:27:43 PM
Quote from: Bacon King on September 23, 2008, 03:09:41 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to have all ten senators elected in the same class?
No, it would make sense to maintain 5 national senators and 5 regional senators

No, I mean, if we're going to elect every senator the same way, why not at the same time?
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2008, 10:55:16 PM »
Quote from: Bacon King on September 23, 2008, 03:09:41 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to have all ten senators elected in the same class?

Ten is a lot for one STV election, and it's nice to have staggered elections so things don't get too quiet.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2008, 03:22:09 AM »
Quote from: Bacon King on September 23, 2008, 10:49:48 PM
Quote from: Sen. DWTL on September 23, 2008, 03:27:43 PM
Quote from: Bacon King on September 23, 2008, 03:09:41 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to have all ten senators elected in the same class?
No, it would make sense to maintain 5 national senators and 5 regional senators

No, I mean, if we're going to elect every senator the same way, why not at the same time?

Greatly reduces the competitiveness of elections.
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2008, 12:41:05 PM »
« Edited: September 24, 2008, 12:52:40 PM by Senator Lewis Trondheim, PPT, HP »
Quote from: Jas on September 24, 2008, 03:22:09 AM
Quote from: Bacon King on September 23, 2008, 10:49:48 PM
Quote from: Sen. DWTL on September 23, 2008, 03:27:43 PM
Quote from: Bacon King on September 23, 2008, 03:09:41 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to have all ten senators elected in the same class?
No, it would make sense to maintain 5 national senators and 5 regional senators

No, I mean, if we're going to elect every senator the same way, why not at the same time?

Greatly reduces the competitiveness of elections.
Quote from: Verily on September 23, 2008, 10:55:16 PM
Quote from: Bacon King on September 23, 2008, 03:09:41 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to have all ten senators elected in the same class?

Ten is a lot for one STV election, and it's nice to have staggered elections so things don't get too quiet.
Nyes. I've actually thought about it once or twice too. You see part of the problem with the regional Senate seat has been (at least at times) that they were held at the same time as the Presidential elections, and running in two elections at once has always been frowned upon (though it remains perfectly legal IIRC). If the entire Senate were elected in off years, it might remove that problem actually.
I do stress might though.


The vote is on the motion to table.
Please vote aye, nay or abstain.


Nay.


Tabling rules so that noone complains afterwards: Vote lasts 48 hours. Two-thirds majority of those voting needed to table. No quorum. Should there be 7 ayes or 4 nays before the 48 hours, the vote ends early with no mandated vote-changing period.
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2008, 12:50:04 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2008, 01:53:54 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2008, 04:21:32 PM »
I will again repeat my call for the Senate to pass this so the issue can be decided by the general public.
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2008, 07:00:01 PM »
Aye
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2008, 07:17:48 PM »
Nay
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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2008, 11:47:44 PM »
aye
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2008, 03:45:05 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2008, 11:34:02 AM »
With five votes against and two for, the motion to table has failed.
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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2008, 07:26:03 PM »
Yeah. jumped the gun on that a bit. My Bad .
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2008, 07:26:47 PM »
Possibly

I still call on Lewis to not waste the senate's time with this bill.  It has at least 4 confirmed votes against
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