Mideast Assembly Thread

[Junkie]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  On the other hand, you do have a point as to the limited aspect of this point.  I do not think we need to, but I can see your issue.  So lets raise it to .01.  Rather than post that immense bill again, I will just edit if it if nobody has an objection.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

While we're on the same subject, and to avoid a hypocrisy in the bill, shouldn't we do the same for commercial drivers as well and raise it to 0.01?

[Junkie]

I really hope not.  I think it is in everyone's best interest to have truck drivers etc. absolutely sober when on the road.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I really hope not.  I think it is in everyone's best interest to have truck drivers etc. absolutely sober when on the road.

0.01 is basically absolutely sober.  A BAC of 0.01 isn't going to affect ANYBODY.

[tmthforu94]

I really hope not.  I think it is in everyone's best interest to have truck drivers etc. absolutely sober when on the road.

0.01 is basically absolutely sober.  A BAC of 0.01 isn't going to affect ANYBODY.

Someone driving such a large vehicle should really have no alcohol in their body, in my opinion.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I really hope not.  I think it is in everyone's best interest to have truck drivers etc. absolutely sober when on the road.

0.01 is basically absolutely sober.  A BAC of 0.01 isn't going to affect ANYBODY.

Someone driving such a large vehicle should really have no alcohol in their body, in my opinion.

You people are acting like a BAC of 0.01 is going to have an effect on people.  If you assume the average trucker weighs 180 pounds (which is probably a good underestimate), we're talking about under half a beer here.  This is not some guy going out and even having a beer.

[California8429]

I really hope not.  I think it is in everyone's best interest to have truck drivers etc. absolutely sober when on the road.

0.01 is basically absolutely sober.  A BAC of 0.01 isn't going to affect ANYBODY.

Someone driving such a large vehicle should really have no alcohol in their body, in my opinion.

You people are acting like a BAC of 0.01 is going to have an effect on people.  If you assume the average trucker weighs 180 pounds (which is probably a good underestimate), we're talking about under half a beer here.  This is not some guy going out and even having a beer.

I agree with Inks. If it's .01, they aren't really drinking to drink and not even close to drunk. If they actually go to the bar for a drink, it will be above .01 and obviously there's a whole nother story.

*sigh* I thought I could have opened the vote tonight for this

[Junkie]

I really hope not.  I think it is in everyone's best interest to have truck drivers etc. absolutely sober when on the road.

0.01 is basically absolutely sober.  A BAC of 0.01 isn't going to affect ANYBODY.

Someone driving such a large vehicle should really have no alcohol in their body, in my opinion.

You people are acting like a BAC of 0.01 is going to have an effect on people.  If you assume the average trucker weighs 180 pounds (which is probably a good underestimate), we're talking about under half a beer here.  This is not some guy going out and even having a beer.

I agree with Inks. If it's .01, they aren't really drinking to drink and not even close to drunk. If they actually go to the bar for a drink, it will be above .01 and obviously there's a whole nother story.

*sigh* I thought I could have opened the vote tonight for this

My main reasoning is that when you are talking about bus drivers, truck drivers, etc., an absolute sobriety would prevent the attempted calculation of "well i can one beer with dinner as long as I have a full dinner."  Considering the risks, I really hope we can agree to keep this type of driving conduct on an absolute sober basis.  I know I don't want kids being driven by a driver who had even half a beer.

Interesting side note, 15 years ago, cops where I live were allowed to have two beers with lunch.  Many of these guys weigh much more than 180.  Considering the fact they drive, sometimes at high speeds, and of course have guns, thankfully someone realized that was a bad idea.

I think this is in the same realm.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I would formally like to submit that we amend the commercial drivers section to read 0.01.  If that amendment fails, I will still, however, vote for the bill.

[California8429]

I would formally like to submit that we amend the commercial drivers section to read 0.01.  If that amendment fails, I will still, however, vote for the bill.

after Junkie's explanation I agree with you on this as well.

[tmthforu94]

I would formally like to submit that we amend the commercial drivers section to read 0.01.  If that amendment fails, I will still, however, vote for the bill.

I'd like to reeiterate my opposition to this. I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Junkie. It's difficult enough to operate such large vehicles, and letting them legally drive with some alcohol inside of them, even if it's only a little, puts everyone else out there in more danger.

It only takes 4 votes to override a veto, so if you have those, then by all means, go for it.

[California8429]

Voting is now open for the following and will last for 48 hours or until every Assemblyman has voted:

There shall be an amendment to the MIDEAST DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF AN INTOXICANT OR OTHER DRUG ACT amending the commercial drivers section to read 0.01 instead of 0.0.

[California8429]

Aye

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I stand by the Governor on this, and urge a nay vote.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

AYE

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I would formally like to submit that we amend the commercial drivers section to read 0.01.  If that amendment fails, I will still, however, vote for the bill.

I'd like to reeiterate my opposition to this. I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Junkie. It's difficult enough to operate such large vehicles, and letting them legally drive with some alcohol inside of them, even if it's only a little, puts everyone else out there in more danger.

It only takes 4 votes to override a veto, so if you have those, then by all means, go for it.

You would honestly kill the bill on this little bit alone?

[tmthforu94]

I would formally like to submit that we amend the commercial drivers section to read 0.01.  If that amendment fails, I will still, however, vote for the bill.

I'd like to reeiterate my opposition to this. I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Junkie. It's difficult enough to operate such large vehicles, and letting them legally drive with some alcohol inside of them, even if it's only a little, puts everyone else out there in more danger.

It only takes 4 votes to override a veto, so if you have those, then by all means, go for it.

You would honestly kill the bill on this little bit alone?

No, I wouldn't kill it. But I'd strongly consider sending it back to y'all with my suggestion.

[Junkie]

NAY

[Badger]

FWIW: Ohio has two different offense re: commercial drivers. One charging OVI with a BAC limit of .04, and a separate less serious offense (but still with potential, though not mandatory, jail time) for having "any detectable or measurable amount of alcohol" in the driver's system.

I may be a little late with this suggestion, but what about adopting an offense for .01 BAC or higher, and another lesser offense for having any detectable amount?

BTW: Not to nag, but there still is that issue of losing federal highway funding unless first time offenders face a minimum $500 fine and repeat offenders at least a $1000 fine. Just reminding....

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I think my amendment is fine... honestly, I have no problem charging a driver with a 0.02 with a harsh penalty... there's no reason they would ever legitimately have that much alcohol in their system.

As for the funding, I'll introduce an amendment to fix that as soon as we're done with this vote.

[Junkie]

BTW: Not to nag, but there still is that issue of losing federal highway funding unless first time offenders face a minimum $500 fine and repeat offenders at least a $1000 fine. Just reminding....

I have changed it, although I do not agree with mandatory mins for any reason, I do not want to lose federal funding.

[tmthforu94]

It's disappointed that two of our Assemblyman have yet to vote, even though messages have been sent to vote to them. Hopefully they can vote soon so we can get this bill passed quickly.


I'd like to introduce the following legislation. I have no clue on a name for it, so I'll just use something random for now.

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[California8429]

The MIDEAST DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF AN INTOXICANT OR OTHER DRUG ACT amendment proposed by Inks has passed.

Aye 2
Nay 1

Sorry I couldn't close this earlier, I was playing at concerts the last few nights with Mark Wood

[California8429]

With no objections I will move the DUI bill forward to a final vote.

[California8429]

Agenda

MIDEAST DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF AN INTOXICANT OR OTHER DRUG ACT
a. Vote on the final version

MIDEAST FIREARMS SAFETY ACT
a. Bring to the floor
b. Debate
c. Amend/Modify
d. Vote on final version

The Taxing Abortion Act
a. Bring to the floor
b. Debate
c. Amend/Modify
d. Vote on final version

As it seems we have increased activity (even with decreased Assemblymember activity) I think we should look into making seperate threads for each bill, fully debating and amending them there and then bring them to official votes in teh Mideast Assembly Thread, in order to allow us to be more efficient and move through more legislation in a more timely manner.