Mideast Assembly Thread

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I just think that a blanket attack on "greenhouse gases" is something that will have unexpected consequences.

[Barnes]

I just think that a blanket attack on "greenhouse gases" is something that will have unexpected consequences.

Well that's true. What do you should be the top targets?

[California8429]

Smaller business can't pay for these emission reductions like big business can. If you are anti-corporate you are doing the reverse effect because small business gets taxed to death because they don't have the money in the first place to keep up with this regulation and then we have monopolies.

So really, the large companies can pay for these changes, the small companies have to pay the fees which goes through section E back to them to have energy efficient projects only this goes all through bureaucracy and less money comes out.

I’m not against cleaning our world up. I think the best way to do this is tax credits period. This way when smaller businesses can afford these changes, they will instead of starting up and then getting penalized to death with taxes.

[Barnes]

Smaller business can't pay for these emission reductions like big business can. If you are anti-corporate you are doing the reverse effect because small business gets taxed to death because they don't have the money in the first place to keep up with this regulation and then we have monopolies.

So really, the large companies can pay for these changes, the small companies have to pay the fees which goes through section E back to them to have energy efficient projects only this goes all through bureaucracy and less money comes out.

I’m not against cleaning our world up. I think the best way to do this is tax credits period. This way when smaller businesses can afford these changes, they will instead of starting up and then getting penalized to death with taxes.

Well then propose an amendment that sets up a different tax on each "level" of business.

How about we actually try to make a good bill? Of course, I know it's much easier to just say you oppose it and stop anything from happening.

[Barnes]

Smaller business can't pay for these emission reductions like big business can. If you are anti-corporate you are doing the reverse effect because small business gets taxed to death because they don't have the money in the first place to keep up with this regulation and then we have monopolies.

So really, the large companies can pay for these changes, the small companies have to pay the fees which goes through section E back to them to have energy efficient projects only this goes all through bureaucracy and less money comes out.

I’m not against cleaning our world up. I think the best way to do this is tax credits period. This way when smaller businesses can afford these changes, they will instead of starting up and then getting penalized to death with taxes.

Well then propose an amendment that sets up a different tax on each "level" of business.

How about we actually try to make a good bill? Of course, I know it's much easier to just say you oppose it and stop anything from happening.

To add on, how about no tax penitentials on small businesses for a few years? And, in a few years, they can hopefully be caught up enough to fully participate in the bill.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I just think that a blanket attack on "greenhouse gases" is something that will have unexpected consequences.

Well that's true. What do you should be the top targets?

It's not even that certain gases need/should be targeted.  My point is that there are legitimate purposes behind many greenhouse gases.

[Barnes]

I just think that a blanket attack on "greenhouse gases" is something that will have unexpected consequences.

Well that's true. What do you should be the top targets?

It's not even that certain gases need/should be targeted.  My point is that there are legitimate purposes behind many greenhouse gases.

Some gases, and in a certain amount. There are certainly many types of emissions that are harmful to our environment that we can agree need to be targeted.

[California8429]

Smaller business can't pay for these emission reductions like big business can. If you are anti-corporate you are doing the reverse effect because small business gets taxed to death because they don't have the money in the first place to keep up with this regulation and then we have monopolies.

So really, the large companies can pay for these changes, the small companies have to pay the fees which goes through section E back to them to have energy efficient projects only this goes all through bureaucracy and less money comes out.

I’m not against cleaning our world up. I think the best way to do this is tax credits period. This way when smaller businesses can afford these changes, they will instead of starting up and then getting penalized to death with taxes.

Well then propose an amendment that sets up a different tax on each "level" of business.

How about we actually try to make a good bill? Of course, I know it's much easier to just say you oppose it and stop anything from happening.

Yes, but I don't want a cap and tax system in the first place Not to be rude, but can we focus on the budget first? IF this passes it will be worthless because we are having a reboot once the budget is passed. I'd like to work on this with you, but after what should be our top priority and the most lenghty, the budget.

[Barnes]

Smaller business can't pay for these emission reductions like big business can. If you are anti-corporate you are doing the reverse effect because small business gets taxed to death because they don't have the money in the first place to keep up with this regulation and then we have monopolies.

So really, the large companies can pay for these changes, the small companies have to pay the fees which goes through section E back to them to have energy efficient projects only this goes all through bureaucracy and less money comes out.

I’m not against cleaning our world up. I think the best way to do this is tax credits period. This way when smaller businesses can afford these changes, they will instead of starting up and then getting penalized to death with taxes.

Well then propose an amendment that sets up a different tax on each "level" of business.

How about we actually try to make a good bill? Of course, I know it's much easier to just say you oppose it and stop anything from happening.

Yes, but I don't want a cap and tax system in the first place Not to be rude, but can we focus on the budget first? IF this passes it will be worthless because we are having a reboot once the budget is passed. I'd like to work on this with you, but after what should be our top priority and the most lenghty, the budget.

Grr...What's the status of the budget? Behind the scenes, anyway?

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Huzzah! I finally get to propose this thing.

The Affordable Energy
and Environmental Protection Act

[snip]

You have some good ideas in sections 3 and 5. I don't know whether I can support the other sections of the bill, however.

[California8429]

Smaller business can't pay for these emission reductions like big business can. If you are anti-corporate you are doing the reverse effect because small business gets taxed to death because they don't have the money in the first place to keep up with this regulation and then we have monopolies.

So really, the large companies can pay for these changes, the small companies have to pay the fees which goes through section E back to them to have energy efficient projects only this goes all through bureaucracy and less money comes out.

I’m not against cleaning our world up. I think the best way to do this is tax credits period. This way when smaller businesses can afford these changes, they will instead of starting up and then getting penalized to death with taxes.

Well then propose an amendment that sets up a different tax on each "level" of business.

How about we actually try to make a good bill? Of course, I know it's much easier to just say you oppose it and stop anything from happening.

Yes, but I don't want a cap and tax system in the first place Not to be rude, but can we focus on the budget first? IF this passes it will be worthless because we are having a reboot once the budget is passed. I'd like to work on this with you, but after what should be our top priority and the most lenghty, the budget.

Grr...What's the status of the budget? Behind the scenes, anyway?

I completed infrastructure. That's  a start

[Barnes]

Huzzah! I finally get to propose this thing.

The Affordable Energy
and Environmental Protection Act

[snip]

You have some good ideas in sections 3 and 5. I don't know whether I can support the other sections of the bill, however.

Well, I understand why you might be opposed to Cap and Trade, however, I'm open to an alternative that still does the job!

[Barnes]

Smaller business can't pay for these emission reductions like big business can. If you are anti-corporate you are doing the reverse effect because small business gets taxed to death because they don't have the money in the first place to keep up with this regulation and then we have monopolies.

So really, the large companies can pay for these changes, the small companies have to pay the fees which goes through section E back to them to have energy efficient projects only this goes all through bureaucracy and less money comes out.

I’m not against cleaning our world up. I think the best way to do this is tax credits period. This way when smaller businesses can afford these changes, they will instead of starting up and then getting penalized to death with taxes.

Well then propose an amendment that sets up a different tax on each "level" of business.

How about we actually try to make a good bill? Of course, I know it's much easier to just say you oppose it and stop anything from happening.

Yes, but I don't want a cap and tax system in the first place Not to be rude, but can we focus on the budget first? IF this passes it will be worthless because we are having a reboot once the budget is passed. I'd like to work on this with you, but after what should be our top priority and the most lenghty, the budget.

Grr...What's the status of the budget? Behind the scenes, anyway?

I completed infrastructure. That's  a start

Yeah, but what's the point of sitting around while we wait for things to be finished just to be introduced?

Maybe we can think of some ideas to make this deficit-neutral, so it doesn't really affect the budget process at all?

[California8429]

Huzzah! I finally get to propose this thing.

The Affordable Energy
and Environmental Protection Act

[snip]

You have some good ideas in sections 3 and 5. I don't know whether I can support the other sections of the bill, however.

Well, I understand why you might be opposed to Cap and Trade, however, I'm open to an alternative that still does the job!

Good. This will be good to discuss, properly, after the budget

[California8429]

Okay since everything so far is behind the scenes, shall we just throw sections of the budget out here and then work on things and once we call it good slap everything together into a real, full budget?

[Barnes]

I hereby withdraw my bill.

It will be back, I promise.

Okay since everything so far is behind the scenes, shall we just throw sections of the budget out here and then work on things and once we call it good slap everything together into a real, full budget?

Maybe we should develop exact rules of procedure when working on the budget?

[tmthforu94]

I hereby withdraw my bill.

It will be back, I promise.

Okay since everything so far is behind the scenes, shall we just throw sections of the budget out here and then work on things and once we call it good slap everything together into a real, full budget?

Maybe we should develop exact rules of procedure when working on the budget?

Thank you for putting this on a hold, Barnes.
Assembly, let's work together and try and get this budget through by the end of the month, at the latest. It can be done!

[California8429]

I hereby withdraw my bill.

It will be back, I promise.

Okay since everything so far is behind the scenes, shall we just throw sections of the budget out here and then work on things and once we call it good slap everything together into a real, full budget?

Maybe we should develop exact rules of procedure when working on the budget?

Thank you for putting this on a hold, Barnes.
Assembly, let's work together and try and get this budget through by the end of the month, at the latest. It can be done!

Easy to say. Hard to do

[California8429]

I hereby withdraw my bill.

It will be back, I promise.

Okay since everything so far is behind the scenes, shall we just throw sections of the budget out here and then work on things and once we call it good slap everything together into a real, full budget?

Maybe we should develop exact rules of procedure when working on the budget?

What do you have in mind?

[Barnes]

I hereby withdraw my bill.

It will be back, I promise.

Okay since everything so far is behind the scenes, shall we just throw sections of the budget out here and then work on things and once we call it good slap everything together into a real, full budget?

Maybe we should develop exact rules of procedure when working on the budget?

What do you have in mind?

Well, perhaps allowing multiple "sections" to be considered at on time. Or maybe even setting a maximum amount of debate time, and once the time runs out, the approved sections are automatically merged into the budget, which is then voted on.

[California8429]

I hereby withdraw my bill.

It will be back, I promise.

Okay since everything so far is behind the scenes, shall we just throw sections of the budget out here and then work on things and once we call it good slap everything together into a real, full budget?

Maybe we should develop exact rules of procedure when working on the budget?

What do you have in mind?

Well, perhaps allowing multiple "sections" to be considered at on time. Or maybe even setting a maximum amount of debate time, and once the time runs out, the approved sections are automatically merged into the budget, which is then voted on.

I'm for the multiple sections are once. However, I don't think we should limit debate on the most important thing this Assembly will have done since the creation of Atlasia

[tmthforu94]

I hereby withdraw my bill.

It will be back, I promise.

Okay since everything so far is behind the scenes, shall we just throw sections of the budget out here and then work on things and once we call it good slap everything together into a real, full budget?

Maybe we should develop exact rules of procedure when working on the budget?

What do you have in mind?

Well, perhaps allowing multiple "sections" to be considered at on time. Or maybe even setting a maximum amount of debate time, and once the time runs out, the approved sections are automatically merged into the budget, which is then voted on.

I'm for the multiple sections are once. However, I don't think we should limit debate on the most important thing this Assembly will have done since the creation of Atlasia

I'm siding with A-Bob here. Though I'd like to get more done this session, if all we get accomplished is a good budget, I am very fine with that.

[Barnes]

I hereby withdraw my bill.

It will be back, I promise.

Okay since everything so far is behind the scenes, shall we just throw sections of the budget out here and then work on things and once we call it good slap everything together into a real, full budget?

Maybe we should develop exact rules of procedure when working on the budget?

What do you have in mind?

Well, perhaps allowing multiple "sections" to be considered at on time. Or maybe even setting a maximum amount of debate time, and once the time runs out, the approved sections are automatically merged into the budget, which is then voted on.

I'm for the multiple sections are once. However, I don't think we should limit debate on the most important thing this Assembly will have done since the creation of Atlasia

I disagree on calling it "the most important thing", however, theoretically, the budget could take a whole session to pass.

[California8429]

I hereby withdraw my bill.

It will be back, I promise.

Okay since everything so far is behind the scenes, shall we just throw sections of the budget out here and then work on things and once we call it good slap everything together into a real, full budget?

Maybe we should develop exact rules of procedure when working on the budget?

What do you have in mind?

Well, perhaps allowing multiple "sections" to be considered at on time. Or maybe even setting a maximum amount of debate time, and once the time runs out, the approved sections are automatically merged into the budget, which is then voted on.

I'm for the multiple sections are once. However, I don't think we should limit debate on the most important thing this Assembly will have done since the creation of Atlasia

I disagree on calling it "the most important thing", however, theoretically, the budget could take a whole session to pass.

It's the first time we're actually addressing all the issues and actually having control over the taxes and spending of government. When else has something this big happened?

[California8429]

Ok I'm just going to throw this out there since nothing is happening and we can build from here.

Infrastructure
$29.2 billion for improvement and maintenance to roads, highways, and airports.
$2.9 billion for construction to roads, highways, and airports.
$13 billion for improvement, maintenance and construction of mass transit including buses, subways, trains.
$7.5 billion for improvement and maintenance of water and sewer infrastructure.
$1 billion for construction of water and sewer infrastructure.