Mideast Assembly Thread

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Amendment 3 : can we say how the amount is set ?
I mean, are we OK it should be the court which sets it, proportionally to the importance of the violation and of the prejudice ?
If it's the case, why not writing it ?

The way my amendment is worded, the court would set it.  My amendment simply sets a cap on the amount.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Nay to both.  I don't like setting limits on what the courts can award.

[Psychic Octopus]

Sounds good, I like your changes, Mr. Inks.

Aye/Aye.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Aye to amendment 2, and abstain on 3

[big bad fab]

AYE
AYE

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

On Amendment 2, the AYEs are 4 and the NAYs are 1.  The AYEs have it, and the amendment is agreed to.

On Amendment 3, the AYEs are 3 and the NAYs are 1, with 1 abstention.  The AYEs have it, and the amendment is agreed to.

The bill now reads as follows:

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[Kaine for Senate '18]

AYE.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

AYE.

Hang on - we haven't started voting on the bill yet.  Give it until tomorrow morning for anymore debate.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Hang on - we haven't started voting on the bill yet.  Give it until tomorrow morning for anymore debate.

Sorry, I misread your post

While I don't like the award caps, I still think this bill will achieve something, and until I can use the GM's suggestions to craft a more comprehensive bill, this will have to do.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Hang on - we haven't started voting on the bill yet.  Give it until tomorrow morning for anymore debate.

Sorry, I misread your post

While I don't like the award caps, I still think this bill will achieve something, and until I can use the GM's suggestions to craft a more comprehensive bill, this will have to do.

Feel free to offer any amendments.

[big bad fab]

I have voted for the amendments but didn't realized that the first sentence doesn't seem to fit:
how can you pay the biggest of 2 things, when the second may be decided very lately and when the first is about "the next 2 years" ?

And how can we know how much the tax benefits and subsidies would amount in the next 2 years, when subsidies may change each year ?
Shoulod we take as a reference an average of the last 2 years, to say that tax benefits and subsidies are lessened by this average ?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I actually noticed that too.  Perhaps make it so that the offending company has both penalties placed on them?

[big bad fab]

And if the bill is written like this ?

Labor Protection Act

Article I:  Any corporation found in violation of national or regional labor laws shall undergo a forfeiture of tax benefits and subsidies for a period lasting between one quarter to two tax years.

Article II: Any employee who is able to successfully prove a legitimate labor rights violation in a court of law may be awarded up to one hundred thousand dollars as compensation for a violation of a national or regional labor law.[/size]

Could we agree on something like that ?

[RIP Robert H Bork]

I second BBF.

[big bad fab]

I put forward the amendment 4:

The Labor Protection Act is amended to read as follows:

Labor Protection Act

Article I:  Any corporation found in violation of national or regional labor laws shall undergo a forfeiture of tax benefits and subsidies for a period lasting between one quarter to two tax years.

Article II: Any employee who is able to successfully prove a legitimate labor rights violation in a court of law may be awarded up to one hundred thousand dollars as compensation for a violation of a national or regional labor law.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Who desides how long the tax benefits are forfeited for?

[big bad fab]

Who desides how long the tax benefits are forfeited for?

The one who gives them, the fiscal power: the Mideast Government.
Feel free to amend my amendment, Mr. Speaker

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Who desides how long the tax benefits are forfeited for?

The one who gives them, the fiscal power: the Mideast Government.
Feel free to amend my amendment, Mr. Speaker

Did you have in mind the executive (Mideast tax collection service) or judicial branch?

[big bad fab]

Who desides how long the tax benefits are forfeited for?

The one who gives them, the fiscal power: the Mideast Government.
Feel free to amend my amendment, Mr. Speaker

Did you have in mind the executive (Mideast tax collection service) or judicial branch?

Sorry, I'm unclear because of my native language and the French meaning of Government.
It's the Mideast tax collection service I had in mind.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

The judicial branch should be the ones that get to decide. I can't think of a single other law were the courts allow other Goverment agencies decided the time for a fine. Just my two cents.

[big bad fab]

The judicial branch should be the ones that get to decide. I can't think of a single other law were the courts allow other Goverment agencies decided the time for a fine. Just my two cents.

Thank you, Mr. Governor.
The problem with this bill is that it has evolved in a way that what we are talking about aren't fines any longer.
They are just the financial consequence of a judgement in one case, an administrative sanction in the other.

Or maybe, we can say: first, their is trial and a compensation, for the person who is the victim.
Second, given the judgement, the executive branch is able to decide a forfeiture of tax benefits and subsidies, up to 2 years.
Is it a good idea ?

[Psychic Octopus]

I favor the judicial branch as well, I think that the tax collection services shouldn't make that kind of decision.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

I favor the judicial branch as well, I think that the tax collection services shouldn't make that kind of decision.

^^^^

[big bad fab]

It would be the Governor, not the service itself.
But, anyway, I repeal my amendment 4 and the bill can be submitted to the vote, as far as I'm concerned.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Or how would we feel about just making it so that they lose their tax benefits for 2 years and have to pay any civil penalties as well - basically they'd have to pay numbers 1 and 2 not 1 or 2.