Mideast Assembly Thread

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I've decided to re-submit this as an Amendment:

Mideast Anti-Troll Amendment

1.   All people on the “Troll List” shall be barred from holding office in the Mideast Region and voting in the Mideast Region.
2.   The “Troll List” shall be defined as the list kept by the Moderators on the main Atlas Fantasy Board until the title, “Troll List.”
3.   This law shall not apply to people posted on the “Troll List” at the time of the signing of this legislation.
4.   Any person removed from the Troll List shall have their voting privileges reinstated.

[President Mitt]

I oppose this as well. Just because somebody is "listed" as a troll does not mean they cannot become a great Assemblymen/Governor/ etc. Nor should it mean they have their voting rights taken away.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I've decided to re-submit this as an Amendment:

Mideast Anti-Troll Amendment

1.   All people on the “Troll List” shall be barred from holding office in the Mideast Region and voting in the Mideast Region.
2.   The “Troll List” shall be defined as the list kept by the Moderators on the main Atlas Fantasy Board until the title, “Troll List.”
3.   This law shall not apply to people posted on the “Troll List” at the time of the signing of this legislation.
4.   Any person removed from the Troll List shall have their voting privileges reinstated.

Since there has been no debate on this amendment for the last 24 hours, I now move to a vote.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

AYE.

[Psychic Octopus]

Nay

[RIP Robert H Bork]

I've decided to re-submit this as an Amendment:

Mideast Anti-Troll Amendment

1.   All people on the “Troll List” shall be barred from holding office in the Mideast Region and voting in the Mideast Region.
2.   The “Troll List” shall be defined as the list kept by the Moderators on the main Atlas Fantasy Board until the title, “Troll List.”
3.   This law shall not apply to people posted on the “Troll List” at the time of the signing of this legislation.
4.   Any person removed from the Troll List shall have their voting privileges reinstated.

Since there has been no debate on this amendment for the last 24 hours, I now move to a vote.

Abstain.

[Devilman88]

Abstain

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

  Nay


The amendment fails.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Alright, let's get to work!

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Alright, let's get to work!

Actually I have to adjourn the old Assembly first, and the the Dean (True Conservative) has to open it and arrange for the election of a Speaker. But I like your anthusiasm


Anyway, I herby declare the 9th Assembly adjourned Sine Die.

Best of luck guys. I'm looking forward to seeing what legislation you'll come up with.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

As Dean of the Assembly I declare the 10th Mideast Assembly in session. I urge my fellow assemblymen to swear in so that we can begin the process of electing a Speaker. Your nominations for the position are welcome.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Alright, let's get to work!

Actually I have to adjourn the old Assembly first, and the the Dean (True Conservative) has to open it and arrange for the election of a Speaker. But I like your anthusiasm

Yeah, I know - that was my prompting to get everybody sworn in and all.

[big bad fab]

I nominate Inks for the position of Speaker of our new Assembly.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I nominate Inks for the position of Speaker of our new Assembly.

Seconded by me.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

24 hours have passed and only the only person to have been nominated was Inks.LWC. Therefore, he shall be our Speaker for the 10th Assembly.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I thank the Assembly, and I happily accept the position.  I now open the floor for submission of bills, resolutions, or any other Assembly business.

[big bad fab]

First, I'd like to congratulate our Governor for his election. As an experienced Assemblyman and a clever, fair and moderate Speaker, I'm sure he will do a great job as Governor.
I'm sure he will stick to his bipartisan behaviour and he will try to seek the general interest of the whole Mideast region.

Second, I'd like to congratulate Inks for his swift election to the speakership of our Assembly. I trust him to be a fair and efficient speaker, able to organize and manage our debates and votes.

To begin with, I'd like the new Assembly to discuss and vote on this constitutional amendment that I've already put forward in another session.

The Eminent Domain Statute only deals with PUBLIC entities using or taking private property, not with PRIVATE entities taking or trying to take or using without being allowed private property of another else.

So, I think we need a higher protection for private properties against PRIVATE attempts to dminish it:

Protection of Private Property Amendment to the Third Mideast Constitution

I. The words "private properties," are included after the word "houses," in the clause 11. of Article V of the Third Mideast Constitution.

II. The clause 13. of Article V of the Third Mideast Constitution is amended to read:

"13. Private property shall not be taken or used by another private legal entity. Private property shall not be taken by a public legal entity for public use, without just compensation."

Thank you for your attention, my fellow Assemblymen.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

BBF, how would you define "private property" and "private entity?"

[Peter]

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Taken literally, this could have a different meaning to the one intended - i.e. it removes the right of private parties to exchange goods, form contracts, make gifts, etc.

Furthermore, even just focused on the intent that is intended, I fail to see why the Constitution should be used to regulate the actions of private parties interacting, unless its something grotesque like slavery, which I don't believe this is. Ultimately, any party has the right to go to Court through the many statutes that exist to protect private property from effective theft, not to mention a right at common law.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I don't really see why we would need this.  Eminent domain really only deals with public entities (at least that was my understanding).

[big bad fab]

BBF, how would you define "private property" and "private entity?"

Do I have to define "private property" more than it is defined in the Constitution ?
Everything (real-estate, movables, software, etc) that is owned by a legal entity that is not public.

As for private entity, I mean legal entity that is not a public one: individuals, associations (clubs, leagues, political parties, etc), businesses.

I'm sorry if I'm not very clear in English. I have indeed a big problem with legal language... although I precisely see what I mean in French, of course
I'm open to any suggestion of course.

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Taken literally, this could have a different meaning to the one intended - i.e. it removes the right of private parties to exchange goods, form contracts, make gifts, etc.

Furthermore, even just focused on the intent that is intended, I fail to see why the Constitution should be used to regulate the actions of private parties interacting, unless its something grotesque like slavery, which I don't believe this is. Ultimately, any party has the right to go to Court through the many statutes that exist to protect private property from effective theft, not to mention a right at common law.

You're right, it's not at all well written.
Depending on how the debate keeps on, I can amend my own proposal:
"13. Private property shall not be taken or used by another private legal entity without owner's agreement. Private property shall not be taken by a public legal entity for public use, without just compensation."
Any other suggestion is welcome.

On the other point, of course, it's the Constitution, but it's the Bill of Rights. If the Bill of Rights deals with the protection of private property against public interferences, I think it can, it should, deal with interferences from other private entities.

Maybe it's a very continental European viewpoint, but that's the way the French Declaration of Human Rights works.

I know there isn't any big problem in the US with Gipsies' taking private properties, but it's a real problem in Europe, even though political correctness implies you must see them as a poor minority everywhere, even if you're not in Romania, Hungary or Slovakia.

The Internet piracy or the abusive use of private data for private use are other examples of widespread infringements on private property, that require the biggest possible protection.
Judgements of Courts may change and may not be enough to guarantee the right to private property.
And, of course, Statute Laws can be amended far more easily than constitutional rules. So, I think they are not enough.

I don't really see why we would need this.  Eminent domain really only deals with public entities (at least that was my understanding).

That's precisely the problem I have with this: it only deals with public entities using or taking private property, not with private entities taking or trying to take or use, without being allowed, private property of another people.
My problem isn't only with government potential infringements but also with private breaches of private property.

[big bad fab]

Protection of Private Property Amendment to the Third Mideast Constitution

I. The words "private properties," are included after the word "houses," in the clause 11. of Article V of the Third Mideast Constitution.

II. The clause 13. of Article V of the Third Mideast Constitution is amended to read:

"13. Private property shall not be taken or used by another private legal entity without owner's agreement. Private property shall not be taken by a public legal entity for public use, without just compensation."

Without any other suggestion, this is the amended version I submit to the Assembly.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

That works for me.  Discussion is now open on the amended version of the Amendment.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

*Cough* *cough*

[big bad fab]

*Cough* *cough*

Our Speaker will probably open the vote soon...