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« Reply #725 on: May 12, 2009, 03:54:38 PM »

Persepolis do you have something that you would like to bring before the Assembly?

At this point, nothing. I'm working on something though, and I'll get it out soon enough.
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« Reply #726 on: May 12, 2009, 04:13:14 PM »

The Mideast Marijuana Taxation Statute

1. Whereas, the consumption of marijuana is legal, in accordance with FL 6-19, the Marijuana Legalization and Taxation Act.

2. A sales tax of 30% will be collected on any marijuana sale.

3. The Mideast Marijuana Legalization Statute is hereby repealed.
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« Reply #727 on: May 12, 2009, 04:22:55 PM »

I oppose both bills.

I would like to propose the following bill:

Mideast Pornography Statute II
It shall be legal for all persons aged fourteen years or older to possess, view and buy pornography, depicting only persons aged eighteen years or older.

First we are giving Ben a monument, now access to porn?

I am 16, you know Tongue
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« Reply #728 on: May 12, 2009, 04:28:32 PM »

16 = 14 or older Wink
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« Reply #729 on: May 12, 2009, 06:03:02 PM »

I oppose both bills.

I would like to propose the following bill:

Mideast Pornography Statute II
It shall be legal for all persons aged fourteen years or older to possess, view and buy pornography, depicting only persons aged eighteen years or older.

I will support this if you change the age to 16.
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« Reply #730 on: May 12, 2009, 06:04:22 PM »

The Mideast Marijuana Taxation Statute

1. Whereas, the consumption of marijuana is legal, in accordance with FL 6-19, the Marijuana Legalization and Taxation Act.

2. A sales tax of 30% will be collected on any marijuana sale.

3. The Mideast Marijuana Legalization Statute is hereby repealed.

That seems fair.
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« Reply #731 on: May 12, 2009, 06:08:37 PM »

The Mideast Marijuana Taxation Statute

1. Whereas, the consumption of marijuana is legal, in accordance with FL 6-19, the Marijuana Legalization and Taxation Act.

2. A sales tax of 30% will be collected on any marijuana sale.

3. The Mideast Marijuana Legalization Statute is hereby repealed.

I request a vote. Does Peter have any objections?
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« Reply #732 on: May 12, 2009, 07:08:49 PM »

I oppose both bills.

I would like to propose the following bill:

Mideast Pornography Statute II
It shall be legal for all persons aged fourteen years or older to possess, view and buy pornography, depicting only persons aged eighteen years or older.

I will support this if you change the age to 16.

That's what the age is currently. Maybe we should raise it to 18 so Ben can't have access. Hmmm...

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« Reply #733 on: May 12, 2009, 11:27:59 PM »


Then perhaps I should get one too.  No I am only kidding of course, however I do feel Inks does deserve one after he departs office.

I find it funny that you think I'm ever going to leave.  Tongue

But seriously - thank you for the kind words.

Also, the bill has been signed.

By the way Inks I am sorry I ran againest you all those years ago and expelled you from office.  However I did need something to start me off in Atlasia right? Wink  And I think I have done some admirable service for the Mideast.

It has been an honor to have you serving in the Senate on our behalf.
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« Reply #734 on: May 13, 2009, 01:17:06 PM »
« Edited: May 13, 2009, 01:26:32 PM by Peter »

I would prefer to deal with matters in order of submission.

1. Ben Constine Memorial Act (author: Dan) - publically opposed by Peter and Persepolis
2. Constitutional Amendment for unfillable vacant Assembly seats (author: Dan) - I think this may be workable in some form, but am unsure how it can be done without a separation of powers issue.
3. Pornography II (author: Peter) - publically opposed by Dan.
4. Marijuana Taxation (author: Persepolis)

I would state that I do consider the Constine Memorial somewhat frivolous, and so I would request its author to withdraw rather than waste time on a vote. I am open to suggestions on the Constitutional Amendment, but as above, am unsure how to make it workable.
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« Reply #735 on: May 13, 2009, 01:25:11 PM »

I was going to wait until the Governor signed the bill that passed, but I'll go ahead and put this out. Deeds for Governor PMed me this and asked me to send this to the Assembly.

The Ben Constine Memorial Act

1.  Whereas Ben Constine held the position of Lt. Governor for the longest period in Mideast history, and;
2.  Whereas Ben Constine served two terms as Governor, during which time he wrote landmark legislation on improving higher education for Mideast citizens;
3.  The Mideast shall erect a statue to the former Governor in his home city of Arlington, Virginia, by the end of 2010.

I withdraw this because I don't support it.
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« Reply #736 on: May 13, 2009, 01:27:47 PM »

So noted.

Are there any amendments or debate for the Constitutional Amendment?
If there is no significant action within 24 hours I will move to vote.
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« Reply #737 on: May 13, 2009, 01:40:52 PM »

To keep things moving, I would like to bring this before the Assembly:

The following shall be added to the Mideast Constitution in Article III Secton 1:
"7. If the Governor of the Mideast can not find a citizen of the Mideast to fill the vacant seat then the Governor can serve as a member of the Assembly until he finds a citizen to fill the vacant seat."

I would like to change this to the following:

The following shall be added to the Mideast Constitution in Article III Secton 1:
"7. If the Governor of the Mideast can not find a citizen of the Mideast to fill the vacant seat of the Assembly, then the Governor is giving an active vote, only when the vote is split between the remaining two Assembly members."
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« Reply #738 on: May 13, 2009, 06:45:29 PM »

Well, that is the same thing, since his vote would only matter in a swing situation anyway. However, that clarifies the plan a bit better, and I state my partial approval. However, I feel that a governor could, not necessarily this one, but a power hungry one, keep the seat to himself, and not bother to look for a replacement. I think the assembly should vote whether the governor taking that position is justified, with only the two existing Senators getting a vote. If they feel that situation is not justified, then the can show that and curb the power of the government.

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7. If the Governor of the Mideast can not find a citizen of the Mideast to fill the vacant seat of the Assembly, then the Governor is giving an active vote, only when the vote is split between the remaining two Assembly members.
   7a) Upon declaring himself/herself eligible for the assembly, the governor must be subject to an assembly vote to ascertain whether the governor is acting within his/her power to control that seat.
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« Reply #739 on: May 13, 2009, 06:53:46 PM »

Well, that is the same thing, since his vote would only matter in a swing situation anyway. However, that clarifies the plan a bit better, and I state my partial approval. However, I feel that a governor could, not necessarily this one, but a power hungry one, keep the seat to himself, and not bother to look for a replacement. I think the assembly should vote whether the governor taking that position is justified, with only the two existing Senators getting a vote. If they feel that situation is not justified, then the can show that and curb the power of the government.

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7. If the Governor of the Mideast can not find a citizen of the Mideast to fill the vacant seat of the Assembly, then the Governor is giving an active vote, only when the vote is split between the remaining two Assembly members.
   7a) Upon declaring himself/herself eligible for the assembly, the governor must be subject to an assembly vote to ascertain whether the governor is acting within his/her power to control that seat.

The governor would only be able to vote in a tie, that is it. Just like the United States' Vice President does. Only vote in a tie, but the Governor can only vote when there is a vacant seat.
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« Reply #740 on: May 13, 2009, 06:56:08 PM »

Well, that is the same thing, since his vote would only matter in a swing situation anyway. However, that clarifies the plan a bit better, and I state my partial approval. However, I feel that a governor could, not necessarily this one, but a power hungry one, keep the seat to himself, and not bother to look for a replacement. I think the assembly should vote whether the governor taking that position is justified, with only the two existing Senators getting a vote. If they feel that situation is not justified, then the can show that and curb the power of the government.

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7. If the Governor of the Mideast can not find a citizen of the Mideast to fill the vacant seat of the Assembly, then the Governor is giving an active vote, only when the vote is split between the remaining two Assembly members.
   7a) Upon declaring himself/herself eligible for the assembly, the governor must be subject to an assembly vote to ascertain whether the governor is acting within his/her power to control that seat.

The governor would only be able to vote in a tie, that is it. Just like the United States' Vice President does. Only vote in a tie, but the Governor can only vote when there is a vacant seat.

That is equivalent to having an assembly seat, for all intents and purposes. He has a vote in ties, and when it is 2-0, it wouldn't matter what he voted. However, what I am saying is that a governor could abuse his power by not actually looking for a replacement and just taking up the assembly position himself.
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« Reply #741 on: May 13, 2009, 07:04:41 PM »

That's unconstitutional becaue it violates the federal constitution which states you can't hold more than 2 elected offices, even on the regional level.
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« Reply #742 on: May 13, 2009, 07:07:57 PM »

That's unconstitutional because it violates the federal constitution which states you can't hold more than 2 elected offices, even on the regional level.

Well, you will not be holding an offices, you will just have the power to vote in the Assembly if there is a tie when there is a vacant seat. The Governor will not be able to vote any other time when there is a vacant seat, only in a tie.
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« Reply #743 on: May 13, 2009, 07:15:08 PM »



The following shall be added to the Mideast Constitution in Article III Secton 1:
"7. When there is a vacant seat in the Assembly the Governor is given the power to vote in the Assembly when there is a tie, the Governor is not given the power to vote anyother time when there is a vacant seat. Once the vacant seat is filled the power is taken away from the Governor"

What about this?
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« Reply #744 on: May 13, 2009, 07:19:26 PM »

It still does not solve my problem, which is the situation where the governor chooses not to fill that vacant seat, and keeps the power to himself. AND, if this is unconstitutional, this makes everything a moot point anyway.
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« Reply #745 on: May 13, 2009, 07:24:05 PM »

It still does not solve my problem, which is the situation where the governor chooses not to fill that vacant seat, and keeps the power to himself. AND, if this is unconstitutional, this makes everything a moot point anyway.

I guess we need to want for Peter to see what he says.
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« Reply #746 on: May 13, 2009, 07:25:30 PM »

It still does not solve my problem, which is the situation where the governor chooses not to fill that vacant seat, and keeps the power to himself. AND, if this is unconstitutional, this makes everything a moot point anyway.

I guess we need to want for Peter to see what he says.

Assuming you mean "we need to wait" for him, then yes.
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« Reply #747 on: May 13, 2009, 07:27:12 PM »

It still does not solve my problem, which is the situation where the governor chooses not to fill that vacant seat, and keeps the power to himself. AND, if this is unconstitutional, this makes everything a moot point anyway.

I guess we need to want for Peter to see what he says.

Assuming you mean "we need to wait" for him, then yes.

Wow, yes I mean wait. Trying to watch T.V. and type at the same time isn't very good.
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« Reply #748 on: May 13, 2009, 07:29:28 PM »

It still does not solve my problem, which is the situation where the governor chooses not to fill that vacant seat, and keeps the power to himself. AND, if this is unconstitutional, this makes everything a moot point anyway.

I guess we need to want for Peter to see what he says.

Assuming you mean "we need to wait" for him, then yes.

Wow, yes I mean wait. Trying to watch T.V. and type at the same time isn't very good.

Yeah, not a good idea. Tongue
Are there any other bills you want to introduce in the meantime?
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« Reply #749 on: May 13, 2009, 07:29:52 PM »

I fully oppose this.  It provides the Governor no incentive to find a replacement, and is a clear violation of the separation of powers.  It should be voted down, immediately.
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