Mideast Assembly Thread

[Devilman88]

Rewritten:
 1. All forms of abortion are banned in the Mideast.
     i. Abortion is defined as the premature and intentional termination of a pregnancy not due to a risk that could cause serious damage to the mother or the fetus.
2. The punishment for committing said crime would be ()

I would like it to be changed to the following, otherwise I'm going to vote against it.

Mideast Abortion Staute II

1: No abortions shall be permitted after the First trimester of a pregnancy except in the cases of threat to the mother's health or a pregnancy caused by rape and/or incest.
2: No female under the age of 18 years old shall be permitted to have an abortion without a parent/guardian consent.
3: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall have any existing license from the Mideast Region or a subdivision thereof to practice a medical profession revoked for up to five years.
4: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall be sentenced to up to one year in prison and/or a fine of up to $250,000. Any person knowingly facilitating the inducement of a prohibited abortion shall be subject to a criminal fine of up to $100,000 and/or six months in prison.
5: The Mideast Abortion Statute is hereby repealed.

[Purple State]

Why not leave the current statute?

[Peter]

EDIT: Also, Roe v. Wade would have to be overturned by the court for this to be valid (unless there's been a more recent case in Atlasia).

The precedent has been largely ignored in Atlasia, and nobody has ever gone to court to attempt to enforce it.

I cannot support a total ban.

I am happy with the existing consensus of the Abortion Statute, however, I am willing to work to achieve the best possible outcome.

My view on Dan's bill is that we should not tie a parental consent requirement to a general tightening of the time limit. I also feel that the time limit should be explicitly stated in days, though I am open to persuasion on this point.

The amendment proposed by Dan will go to vote in 24 hours, unless Persepolis accepts it as friendly before hand.

[Fine...I Made This More Civil]

Accepted as friendly.

I agree that Dan's version would provide a more concise definition, and would also provide some compromise to those who disagree with my original bill.

[Hash]

I favour keeping the Mideast Abortion Statute intact and I still plan to take whatever is passed to a public vote.

[HappyWarrior]

Why not leave the current statute?

Agreed, I do not see a huge amount of difference.

[Franzl]

I would not oppose Dan's piece of legislation....nor would I oppose keeping the existing legislation.

[Devilman88]

Why not leave the current statute?

Because this new one moves the timing up and I wanted sec 2 to be added.

[Peter]

The legislation stands as:

Mideast Abortion Staute II

1: No abortions shall be permitted after the First trimester of a pregnancy except in the cases of threat to the mother's health or a pregnancy caused by rape and/or incest.
2: No female under the age of 18 years old shall be permitted to have an abortion without a parent/guardian consent.
3: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall have any existing license from the Mideast Region or a subdivision thereof to practice a medical profession revoked for up to five years.
4: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall be sentenced to up to one year in prison and/or a fine of up to $250,000. Any person knowingly facilitating the inducement of a prohibited abortion shall be subject to a criminal fine of up to $100,000 and/or six months in prison.
5: The Mideast Abortion Statute is hereby repealed.
I motion to strike Clause 2.

24 hours debate is open. Vote in 24 hours unless there is significant debate which is worthy of continuation

My reasons are simple - I feel that parental consent should be in a separate piece of legislation, and should contain a judicial waiver option for extreme situations.

[afleitch]

What's our civil union legislation? At what age can someone have a civil union? Obviously if it's 16 etc...

[Purple State]

I would like a clause involving the paternal contributor in the decision, with clauses excluding forceful impregnation or sperm donors.

[Devilman88]

The legislation stands as:

Mideast Abortion Staute II

1: No abortions shall be permitted after the First trimester of a pregnancy except in the cases of threat to the mother's health or a pregnancy caused by rape and/or incest.
2: No female under the age of 18 years old shall be permitted to have an abortion without a parent/guardian consent.
3: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall have any existing license from the Mideast Region or a subdivision thereof to practice a medical profession revoked for up to five years.
4: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall be sentenced to up to one year in prison and/or a fine of up to $250,000. Any person knowingly facilitating the inducement of a prohibited abortion shall be subject to a criminal fine of up to $100,000 and/or six months in prison.
5: The Mideast Abortion Statute is hereby repealed.
I motion to strike Clause 2.

24 hours debate is open. Vote in 24 hours unless there is significant debate which is worthy of continuation

My reasons are simple - I feel that parental consent should be in a separate piece of legislation, and should contain a judicial waiver option for extreme situations.

I'm willing to take it out, as long as we make sure we piece together another legislation with it in it. Also I am willing to work with the age.

[Fine...I Made This More Civil]

If the marriage age stands at 18, then it would obviously mean that the age of parental consent would have to drop to 16 also. That is the only change I believe needs to be made with clause 2.

[Devilman88]

The legislation stands as:

Mideast Abortion Staute II

1: No abortions shall be permitted after the First trimester of a pregnancy except in the cases of threat to the mother's health or a pregnancy caused by rape and/or incest.
2: No female under the age of 18 years old shall be permitted to have an abortion without a parent/guardian consent.
3: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall have any existing license from the Mideast Region or a subdivision thereof to practice a medical profession revoked for up to five years.
4: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall be sentenced to up to one year in prison and/or a fine of up to $250,000. Any person knowingly facilitating the inducement of a prohibited abortion shall be subject to a criminal fine of up to $100,000 and/or six months in prison.
5: The Mideast Abortion Statute is hereby repealed.
I motion to strike Clause 2.

24 hours debate is open. Vote in 24 hours unless there is significant debate which is worthy of continuation

My reasons are simple - I feel that parental consent should be in a separate piece of legislation, and should contain a judicial waiver option for extreme situations.

This needs to go to vote today.

[Peter]

I motion to strike Clause 2.

The vote is on the motion. Please vote; Vote open for 48 hours or until conclusive majority.

[Devilman88]

Aye

[Peter]

Aye

[Fine...I Made This More Civil]

Aye

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

If all of you supported the motion, why didn't you just accept it as a friendly amendment?

[Peter]

The motion carries. The bill now stands as:
Mideast Abortion Staute II

1: No abortions shall be permitted after the First trimester of a pregnancy except in the cases of threat to the mother's health or a pregnancy caused by rape and/or incest.
2: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall have any existing license from the Mideast Region or a subdivision thereof to practice a medical profession revoked for up to five years.
3: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall be sentenced to up to one year in prison and/or a fine of up to $250,000. Any person knowingly facilitating the inducement of a prohibited abortion shall be subject to a criminal fine of up to $100,000 and/or six months in prison.
4: The Mideast Abortion Statute is hereby repealed.

[Devilman88]

If all of you supported the motion, why didn't you just accept it as a friendly amendment?

I was think the same thing after the voting started, but oh well.

[Devilman88]

The motion carries. The bill now stands as:
Mideast Abortion Staute II

1: No abortions shall be permitted after the First trimester of a pregnancy except in the cases of threat to the mother's health or a pregnancy caused by rape and/or incest.
2: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall have any existing license from the Mideast Region or a subdivision thereof to practice a medical profession revoked for up to five years.
3: Any individual who induces a prohibited abortion shall be sentenced to up to one year in prison and/or a fine of up to $250,000. Any person knowingly facilitating the inducement of a prohibited abortion shall be subject to a criminal fine of up to $100,000 and/or six months in prison.
4: The Mideast Abortion Statute is hereby repealed.

Should we go ahead and vote on it?

[Peter]

There is a motion to proceed to vote. Does Persepolis object?

[Fine...I Made This More Civil]

No objection.

Aye

[Peter]

The vote is on the bill above. Persepolis has voted Aye.