Mideast Assembly Thread

[Kaine for Senate '18]

My big problem with the 3 regions idea is that it may break up a very active region.  If we remove a region, it should be one that isn't active.

[Franzl]

My big problem with the 3 regions idea is that it may break up a very active region.  If we remove a region, it should be one that isn't active.

and suggestion?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

My big problem with the 3 regions idea is that it may break up a very active region.  If we remove a region, it should be one that isn't active.

and suggestion?

If we remove a region, I would suggest it be either the Pacific or Midwest, as they seem to be the least active; perhaps cutting down on the number of At-Large Senators, and increasing the frequency of elections.

[Franzl]

My big problem with the 3 regions idea is that it may break up a very active region.  If we remove a region, it should be one that isn't active.

and suggestion?

If we remove a region, I would suggest it be either the Pacific or Midwest, as they seem to be the least active; perhaps cutting down on the number of At-Large Senators, and increasing the frequency of elections.

that's basically my problem....we need direct authorization from any region we want to integrate with another. I wonder which region would voluntarily agree to be broken up.

[Хahar 🤔]

I had a plan in my campaign for VP.

Basically, the dividing lines would be the Mississippi and the Potomac. It'd be merging far more than breaking up.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

My big problem with the 3 regions idea is that it may break up a very active region.  If we remove a region, it should be one that isn't active.

and suggestion?

If we remove a region, I would suggest it be either the Pacific or Midwest, as they seem to be the least active; perhaps cutting down on the number of At-Large Senators, and increasing the frequency of elections.

that's basically my problem....we need direct authorization from any region we want to integrate with another. I wonder which region would voluntarily agree to be broken up.

We wouldn't need any authorization in a CC.  The Const. would be redrafte and then voted upon.

[Franzl]

My big problem with the 3 regions idea is that it may break up a very active region.  If we remove a region, it should be one that isn't active.

and suggestion?

If we remove a region, I would suggest it be either the Pacific or Midwest, as they seem to be the least active; perhaps cutting down on the number of At-Large Senators, and increasing the frequency of elections.

that's basically my problem....we need direct authorization from any region we want to integrate with another. I wonder which region would voluntarily agree to be broken up.

We wouldn't need any authorization in a CC.  The Const. would be redrafte and then voted upon.

Right, but apparently 4 regions would have to ratify any decision made by the convention, if my understanding is correct. (which is a good thing, it'll prevent anything completely idiotic from happening.)

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I posted the following in the thread to recall Benconstine, but since I made the following speech on the floor of the Assembly, I'll also repost it here:

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[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

My big problem with the 3 regions idea is that it may break up a very active region.  If we remove a region, it should be one that isn't active.

and suggestion?

If we remove a region, I would suggest it be either the Pacific or Midwest, as they seem to be the least active; perhaps cutting down on the number of At-Large Senators, and increasing the frequency of elections.

that's basically my problem....we need direct authorization from any region we want to integrate with another. I wonder which region would voluntarily agree to be broken up.

We wouldn't need any authorization in a CC.  The Const. would be redrafte and then voted upon.

Right, but apparently 4 regions would have to ratify any decision made by the convention, if my understanding is correct. (which is a good thing, it'll prevent anything completely idiotic from happening.)

Right, but it's not specifically asking 2 regions, "Can we merge you?"  Hypothetically, one region could say no.

[Franzl]

My big problem with the 3 regions idea is that it may break up a very active region.  If we remove a region, it should be one that isn't active.

and suggestion?

If we remove a region, I would suggest it be either the Pacific or Midwest, as they seem to be the least active; perhaps cutting down on the number of At-Large Senators, and increasing the frequency of elections.

that's basically my problem....we need direct authorization from any region we want to integrate with another. I wonder which region would voluntarily agree to be broken up.

We wouldn't need any authorization in a CC.  The Const. would be redrafte and then voted upon.

Right, but apparently 4 regions would have to ratify any decision made by the convention, if my understanding is correct. (which is a good thing, it'll prevent anything completely idiotic from happening.)

Right, but it's not specifically asking 2 regions, "Can we merge you?"  Hypothetically, one region could say no.

yeah, that's true, I suppose.

Don't you think, though, that giving people the chance to vote on it in a constitutional convention would be a net gain in almost any case, though? The end result would be certain to, at the very least, be approved of by the vast majority of Atlasians.

As I've argued before, it would be an attention getter and would hopefully increase general interest.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

My big problem with the 3 regions idea is that it may break up a very active region.  If we remove a region, it should be one that isn't active.

and suggestion?

If we remove a region, I would suggest it be either the Pacific or Midwest, as they seem to be the least active; perhaps cutting down on the number of At-Large Senators, and increasing the frequency of elections.

that's basically my problem....we need direct authorization from any region we want to integrate with another. I wonder which region would voluntarily agree to be broken up.

We wouldn't need any authorization in a CC.  The Const. would be redrafte and then voted upon.

Right, but apparently 4 regions would have to ratify any decision made by the convention, if my understanding is correct. (which is a good thing, it'll prevent anything completely idiotic from happening.)

Right, but it's not specifically asking 2 regions, "Can we merge you?"  Hypothetically, one region could say no.

yeah, that's true, I suppose.

Don't you think, though, that giving people the chance to vote on it in a constitutional convention would be a net gain in almost any case, though? The end result would be certain to, at the very least, be approved of by the vast majority of Atlasians.

As I've argued before, it would be an attention getter and would hopefully increase general interest.

But is that fair to the merging regions?  What if we merge 2 regions and one of the to-be-merged regions votes against it, but the other 4 vote for it?  That's unfair to the to-be-merged region in my opinion, and considering my stance on regional rights, I cannot vote for something that would allow for such a travesty.  Now, if I could be guaranteed that a scenario like that could not happen, I would be more likely to vote for the CC.

[Franzl]

My big problem with the 3 regions idea is that it may break up a very active region.  If we remove a region, it should be one that isn't active.

and suggestion?

If we remove a region, I would suggest it be either the Pacific or Midwest, as they seem to be the least active; perhaps cutting down on the number of At-Large Senators, and increasing the frequency of elections.

that's basically my problem....we need direct authorization from any region we want to integrate with another. I wonder which region would voluntarily agree to be broken up.

We wouldn't need any authorization in a CC.  The Const. would be redrafte and then voted upon.

Right, but apparently 4 regions would have to ratify any decision made by the convention, if my understanding is correct. (which is a good thing, it'll prevent anything completely idiotic from happening.)

Right, but it's not specifically asking 2 regions, "Can we merge you?"  Hypothetically, one region could say no.

yeah, that's true, I suppose.

Don't you think, though, that giving people the chance to vote on it in a constitutional convention would be a net gain in almost any case, though? The end result would be certain to, at the very least, be approved of by the vast majority of Atlasians.

As I've argued before, it would be an attention getter and would hopefully increase general interest.

But is that fair to the merging regions?  What if we merge 2 regions and one of the to-be-merged regions votes against it, but the other 4 vote for it?  That's unfair to the to-be-merged region in my opinion, and considering my stance on regional rights, I cannot vote for something that would allow for such a travesty.  Now, if I could be guaranteed that a scenario like that could not happen, I would be more likely to vote for the CC.

Well, I respect that, and I'm still considering it myself. I'm not sure how we could guarantee that something like that wouldn't happen.

It's not even clear at this point how many people even favor the idea of fewer regions. It seems like everyone has different intents and goals going into the possible convention.

That's part of what would makt it fun, though

[Meeker]

Look at how much debate and activity the Convention has already generated! *winkwinknudgenudge*

[Хahar 🤔]

Can someone introduce an amendment?

Good Government Amendment

The office of Governor is hereby devolved upon Inks.LWC in perpetuity.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can someone introduce an amendment?

Good Government Amendment

The office of Governor is hereby devolved upon Inks.LWC in perpetuity.

Remind me again why you even bother to live somewhere other than the Mideast?

[Хahar 🤔]

Can someone introduce an amendment?

Good Government Amendment

The office of Governor is hereby devolved upon Inks.LWC in perpetuity.

Remind me again why you even bother to live somewhere other than the Mideast?

I'd do a competent job as Governor, and we can't have that.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can someone introduce an amendment?

Good Government Amendment

The office of Governor is hereby devolved upon Inks.LWC in perpetuity.

Remind me again why you even bother to live somewhere other than the Mideast?

I'd do a competent job as Governor, and we can't have that.

Of course we can.  We had me, and hopefully in January, we'll have me again.

[Franzl]

I think debate has been sufficient...unless anybody has something important to say.

I'd like to call a vote on a constitutional convention.

Please vote AYE, NAY or abstain.

[Franzl]

AYE

[SPC]

As a Mideast citizen, I would urge Inks.LWC and Peter to vote AYE on the Constitutional Convention Petition.

[Peter]

Point of Order: There is no text of a resolution that we are voting on.

I motion the following text be introduced:

The Mideast Assembly refers the matter of whether to petition for a Constitutional Convention to a public vote.
Where it belongs in my opinion.

[Franzl]

umm...well, yes, you're right, that would be the most fair and democratic way of doing it.

I accept your motion.

Let's vote on the text provided by Peter.

_____________________________________

AYE

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

On the following matter:

The Mideast Assembly refers the matter of whether to petition for a Constitutional Convention to a public vote.

I vote:

NAY

I would like to call on Governor Afleitch to propose this as a proposition.  In my opinion, this is something that ALL Mideasterners should have a say in.

[Meeker]

Um, I believe that's what this is proposing, Inks.

[Franzl]

On the following matter:

The Mideast Assembly refers the matter of whether to petition for a Constitutional Convention to a public vote.

I vote:

NAY

I would like to call on Governor Afleitch to propose this as a proposition.  In my opinion, this is something that ALL Mideasterners should have a say in.

Umm..a public vote is exactly what is being suggested in this legislation...