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« on: September 04, 2008, 05:18:53 PM »

May it please Judge HappyWarrior of the Honorable Mideast Superior Court to hear my case:

I ask that the original results of the Mideast Assembly race in the Mideast Ballot for August be counted and certified and I ask for an injunction against the current Mideast Assembly Elections for the following reason:

Governor Benconstine never officially tabulated and certified the results per Section 4, Clause 3 of the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute, which reads: "When the period of voting has expired, the administrator of the voting booth shall post a declaration of the result in the voting booth, including all those votes which he has discounted, and the reasons for these votes being discounted."
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 05:23:17 PM »

And HappyWarrior can promptly throw out the entire election as it wasn't conducted using STV.
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 05:25:16 PM »

And HappyWarrior can promptly throw out the entire election as it wasn't conducted using STV.

How do you figure?
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 05:40:50 PM »

And HappyWarrior can promptly throw out the entire election as it wasn't conducted using STV.

How do you figure?

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Since the election wasn't administered in line with the constitutional specifications the entire thing is invalid.

At least in my opinion.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 06:59:45 PM »

Useless case and total waste of time.
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2008, 08:00:57 PM »

And HappyWarrior can promptly throw out the entire election as it wasn't conducted using STV.

How do you figure?

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Since the election wasn't administered in line with the constitutional specifications the entire thing is invalid.

At least in my opinion.

It was never certified, so it still could be certified as PR-STV.  That's my whole point.  Ben never counted to votes yet, so it's not that it wasn't administered inline with the specifications, it's that it hasn't yet been fully administered.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2008, 08:05:09 PM »

The voting was done in such a way that it's impossible to say that it was conducted under PR-STV. Unless you're an awful liar or have no clue what STV is.
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2008, 08:45:02 PM »

The voting was done in such a way that it's impossible to say that it was conducted under PR-STV. Unless you're an awful liar or have no clue what STV is.

Ben never gave instructions though.  The vote could still have been conducted under STV regulations.  People didn't list preference, but in this case, everybody who ran got an equal number of votes (because I accepted Al's write in vote), therefore, the details of how the transfer votes occurred is not necessary.
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2008, 09:02:17 PM »

Someone's a sore loser
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2008, 07:00:58 AM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2008, 10:11:24 AM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2008, 02:57:40 PM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2008, 10:45:57 PM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2008, 01:21:05 AM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.

Regardless of that, the election was not administered under a system of PR-STV as outlined in the Mideast Constitution. Therefore it was unconstitutional.

This really seems like an open and shut case to me. Hopefully Happy will clear this up soon enough.
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2008, 01:38:26 AM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.

Regardless of that, the election was not administered under a system of PR-STV as outlined in the Mideast Constitution. Therefore it was unconstitutional.

This really seems like an open and shut case to me. Hopefully Happy will clear this up soon enough.

How was it not administered under that system?  It wasn't fully administered at all.
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2008, 01:45:32 AM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.

Regardless of that, the election was not administered under a system of PR-STV as outlined in the Mideast Constitution. Therefore it was unconstitutional.

This really seems like an open and shut case to me. Hopefully Happy will clear this up soon enough.

How was it not administered under that system?  It wasn't fully administered at all.

You're saying the results have to be certified for the election to be invalid?
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2008, 01:50:59 AM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.

Regardless of that, the election was not administered under a system of PR-STV as outlined in the Mideast Constitution. Therefore it was unconstitutional.

This really seems like an open and shut case to me. Hopefully Happy will clear this up soon enough.

How was it not administered under that system?  It wasn't fully administered at all.

You're saying the results have to be certified for the election to be invalid?

Yes, and if the Governor certifies them in a way that makes them invalid (i.e.: doesn't use PR-STV), I will initiate a recall petition.  If he legitimately thinks that we need a revote, that's fine, but if he intentionally breaks the law to force a revote, that's unnaceptable.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2008, 10:33:08 AM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.

Regardless of that, the election was not administered under a system of PR-STV as outlined in the Mideast Constitution. Therefore it was unconstitutional.

This really seems like an open and shut case to me. Hopefully Happy will clear this up soon enough.

How was it not administered under that system?  It wasn't fully administered at all.

You're saying the results have to be certified for the election to be invalid?

Yes, and if the Governor certifies them in a way that makes them invalid (i.e.: doesn't use PR-STV), I will initiate a recall petition.  If he legitimately thinks that we need a revote, that's fine, but if he intentionally breaks the law to force a revote, that's unnaceptable.

Hold on; why am I intentionally breaking the law here?  I think we need a revote; which is why I opened another booth.  The idea that I would intentionally break the law is quite absurd.
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2008, 11:34:55 AM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.

Regardless of that, the election was not administered under a system of PR-STV as outlined in the Mideast Constitution. Therefore it was unconstitutional.

This really seems like an open and shut case to me. Hopefully Happy will clear this up soon enough.

How was it not administered under that system?  It wasn't fully administered at all.

You're saying the results have to be certified for the election to be invalid?

Yes, and if the Governor certifies them in a way that makes them invalid (i.e.: doesn't use PR-STV), I will initiate a recall petition.  If he legitimately thinks that we need a revote, that's fine, but if he intentionally breaks the law to force a revote, that's unnaceptable.

It is impossible to certify them properly.
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2008, 12:21:26 PM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.

Regardless of that, the election was not administered under a system of PR-STV as outlined in the Mideast Constitution. Therefore it was unconstitutional.

This really seems like an open and shut case to me. Hopefully Happy will clear this up soon enough.

How was it not administered under that system?  It wasn't fully administered at all.

You're saying the results have to be certified for the election to be invalid?

Yes, and if the Governor certifies them in a way that makes them invalid (i.e.: doesn't use PR-STV), I will initiate a recall petition.  If he legitimately thinks that we need a revote, that's fine, but if he intentionally breaks the law to force a revote, that's unnaceptable.

Hold on; why am I intentionally breaking the law here?  I think we need a revote; which is why I opened another booth.  The idea that I would intentionally break the law is quite absurd.

I didn't say that I thought you would.  The way Xahar said it seemed like he wanted you to break the law.

What you legally are obligated to do is count the votes, and not count anybody's votes for Assembly, because nobody voted correctly.  Since you still administered the voting booth under the law, you would then appoint the 3 assembly members.
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2008, 01:09:45 PM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.

Regardless of that, the election was not administered under a system of PR-STV as outlined in the Mideast Constitution. Therefore it was unconstitutional.

This really seems like an open and shut case to me. Hopefully Happy will clear this up soon enough.

How was it not administered under that system?  It wasn't fully administered at all.
If it wasn't administered, then it wasn't administered under the system prescribed. Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2008, 02:30:52 PM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.

Regardless of that, the election was not administered under a system of PR-STV as outlined in the Mideast Constitution. Therefore it was unconstitutional.

This really seems like an open and shut case to me. Hopefully Happy will clear this up soon enough.

How was it not administered under that system?  It wasn't fully administered at all.
If it wasn't administered, then it wasn't administered under the system prescribed. Smiley

I said it wasn't fully administered.  The only thing he needs to do to complete the administration is certify the results, by using PR-STV
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2008, 06:44:11 PM »

I have to agree with what seems to be the majority opinion here, you can not count a ballot that was done in the wrong format.  I advise a complete revote from start to finish.
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2008, 07:02:31 PM »


Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. This is a waste of time because the wrong electoral system was used.

I don't care if I'm elected or not.

The wrong system wasn't used because NO system was officially used.

Exactly. But the vote was conducted in such a way (bullet voting) so as to make the tabulation of the votes via PR-STV impossible.

That's the way people voted.  A lack of explaining the process of voting does not violate the Mideast Election and Vote Regulations Statute Section 4, Clause 2 ("The administrator of a voting booth shall post links to all relevant statute regarding electoral law in the Mideast on the ballot."), because the direction to vote by PR-STV is not written in a statute, but rather the Constitution.

Regardless of that, the election was not administered under a system of PR-STV as outlined in the Mideast Constitution. Therefore it was unconstitutional.

This really seems like an open and shut case to me. Hopefully Happy will clear this up soon enough.

How was it not administered under that system?  It wasn't fully administered at all.
If it wasn't administered, then it wasn't administered under the system prescribed. Smiley

I said it wasn't fully administered.  The only thing he needs to do to complete the administration is certify the results, by using PR-STV

As I said, that is impossible because plurality-at-large voting was used.
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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2008, 07:02:49 PM »

I have to agree with what seems to be the majority opinion here, you can not count a ballot that was done in the wrong format.  I advise a complete revote from start to finish.
In that case, I don't know if I can do this but someone with standing (cough, Inks, cough) should move to have this go to the Supreme Court as HappyWarrior has a clear conflict of interest.
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