Palin has ties to the Alaska Independence party

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Just what we need, another secessionist as Vice President. We already had Aaron Burr and John Breckenridge.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881

[minionofmidas]

"The AIP’s main aim is to secede from the United States, becoming either a territory or a sovereign nation. "
Wrong. I'd like'em much better if that were true, but it's basically an expendable part of their program. Basically they're just your typical right-libertarian wackjobs.

Hickel was nominally elected on the AIP ticket in 1990, but really he ran an independent Centrist campaign against a far-right (of the Christian Conservative type) wackjob that had won the Republican primary.

It would help these people if they got their facts straighter.


EDIT: My bad. Totally misread on Sturgulewski (the 1990 Rep candidate). Hickel ran as the only Conservative on the ballot... even though his record from back in the 60s and 70s was pretty moderate.

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"The AIP’s main aim is to secede from the United States, becoming either a territory or a sovereign nation. "
Wrong. I'd like'em much better if that were true, but it's basically an expendable part of their program. Basically they're just your typical right-libertarian wackjobs.

Hickel was nominally elected on the AIP ticket in 1990, but really he ran an independent Centrist campaign against a far-right (of the Christian Conservative type) wackjob that had won the Republican primary.

It would help these people if they got their facts straighter.


EDIT: My bad. Totally misread on Sturgulewski (the 1990 Rep candidate). Hickel ran as the only Conservative on the ballot... even though his record from back in the 60s and 70s was pretty moderate.

From their website

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http://www.akip.org/goals.html

[minionofmidas]

Same site:

"Q: What is the Alaskan Independence Party?

A: An Alaskan political party whose members advocate a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority; from advocacy for state's rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska."

Walter Hickel certainly had no love lost for that aspect of the AIP - he'd been a firm supporter of statehood back in the day when it actually counted, and he certainly didn't go back on that. If they managed to swallow their pride and serve as a vehicle for him, they can't be all that serious about Independence.

[minionofmidas]

Also, there was an AIP candidate on the ballot against Palin, although I do not doubt that a majority of the party's (quite many) registered voters actually voted for her - that candidate seems to have had little to no party support.

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It's been confirmed that she was an actual member of the party. She left the party shortly before running for mayor.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

[Ronnie]

This is an issue exactly how?

You may or may not take that as a rhetorical question.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

And Bloomberg was a Republican.
And Bob Barr was a Republican.
And Lieberman was a Democrat.
And Gravel was a Democrat.
And John Kromko was a Green.

[StateBoiler]

I love the AIP. They're one of my favorite third parties, simply because I think most people in Alaska have a sublimenal hatred of the "mainland".

[Person Man]

Please tell me this is false. 

[Alcon]

This is an issue exactly how?

Well, an email going around saying "Palin was a member of a party that supported seceding Alaska from the U.S." would be unfortunate for her, because it's technically true and sort of hard to explain.  "The AIP is a libertarian-right party, the intent of which shifted..." will come off to the masses as "blablablablablablabla."

As an actual issue?  No, it isn't.  As a potentially bad manufactured issue?  I doubt it will take flight, but if it does, it might not be so great.  I'd watch Troopergate more closely.  This is #2.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

This is an issue exactly how?

Well, an email going around saying "Palin was a member of a party that supported seceding Alaska from the U.S." would be unfortunate for her, because it's technically true and sort of hard to explain.  "The AIP is a libertarian-right party, the intent of which shifted..." will come off to the masses as "blablablablablablabla."

As an actual issue?  No, it isn't.  As a potentially bad manufactured issue?  I doubt it will take flight, but if it does, it might not be so great.  I'd watch Troopergate more closely.  This is #2.

As dantheroman pointed out, I think the issue is more about the perception of her getting hit with constant scandals, not the scandals themselves.

[WalterMitty]

gimme a f'ing break.  you people are obsessed.

let me guess tomorrow dailykos will have BREAKING NEWS! that palin once gave walter hickel a handjob.

i hope you link the story when it breaks, jfern.  we need to get to the bottom of this skank.  she threatens our very freedoms!

[StateBoiler]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/the_alaska_independence_party.php

A video of Palin's message to the AIP Convention earlier this year, and subsequent quotes from the AIP Chair about Palin's membership in the party (video made in February, before she became VP) are in both stories, but The Atlantic lists the YouTube links of everything better than the ABC story does.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

this is a non issue

[StateBoiler]

this is a non issue

Why not? I'm personally happy that a person the Republicans nominated for the #2 job in the land and would take the job if McCain ever keeled over was in support of a political party that advocated secession. This is AWESOME!!!!

Let's have discussions about state's rights, which obviously Palin believes in if she was once a member. It clearly shows at the minimum she hates George W. Bush, because Bush crushed states, centralized government, and then was ignorant enough to think he was a conservative while espousing those views.

[ChrisFromNJ]

Why does Sarah Palin hate America?

[StateBoiler]

Why does Sarah Palin hate America?

She doesn't hate America, she just loves Alaska more, which is perfectly fine.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Why does Sarah Palin hate America?

She doesn't hate America, she just loves Alaska more, which is perfectly fine.

I guess Umberto Bossi doesn't hate Italy then.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

this is a non issue

Why not?

1) because the independence plank is something left over from before AK became a state.
2) Palin has never advocated secession (that we know of)
3) Palin is no longer a member
4) AK is basically a libertarian state, so this is nothing out of the ordinary

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

this is a non issue

Why not?

1) because the independence plank is something left over from before AK became a state.
2) Palin has never advocated secession (that we know of)
3) Palin is no longer a member
4) AK is basically a libertarian state, so this is nothing out of the ordinary

Except for the infiltration tape that just surfaced from the party's chair.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

this is a non issue

Why not?

1) because the independence plank is something left over from before AK became a state.
2) Palin has never advocated secession (that we know of)
3) Palin is no longer a member
4) AK is basically a libertarian state, so this is nothing out of the ordinary

Except for the infiltration tape that just surfaced from the party's chair.

But we ALL "infiltrate" our political party in order to use it as a vehicle to promote the changes we think are needed. 

Most of all, has Palin done anything as Governor to promote AK political independence?  That's the question.

[Brandon H]

"Palin has ties to the Alaska Independence party"





My hamster died last week.

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"Palin has ties to the Alaska Independence party"





My hamster died last week.

She was a member, it just wasn't confirmed yet when I started the thread, so I chose less strong language.

While I feel that the Alaska Independence Party has a first amendment right to exist, they are a bunch of traitors.

[Third Party]

While I feel that the Alaska Independence Party has a first amendment right to exist, they are a bunch of traitors.

Why do you think that they are traitors? I think that states should have the right to secede if the majority of voters living there vote in favor of it.

BTW, I don't like Palin either.