Hard hitting Obama ad: McCain owns SEVEN houses (OMG)

[Brittain33]

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[12th Doctor]

So basically all you have proven, Brittain, is that there are alot more editors who are dying to play "gotcha" with John McCain.

[Meeker]

McCain can't remember how many houses he owns, yet Obama is the elitist candidate.

Interesting.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So basically all you have proven, Brittain, is that there are alot more editors who are dying to play "gotcha" with John McCain.

Perhaps. But it's also a much catchier story, for various reasons.

[12th Doctor]

Maybe if Obama bitchslaps McCain hard enough for being "rich" it will make him feel better about the brother he has left to starve.

You really need to give it up, already. Sorry, Soulty. That dog won't hunt.

Why should I?  Barack obviously hasn't given up on his ways yet.  This ridiculous attack on McCain is just proof of that.

[12th Doctor]

So basically all you have proven, Brittain, is that there are alot more editors who are dying to play "gotcha" with John McCain.

Perhaps. But it's also a much catchier story, for various reasons.

Well, of course, people will always care more about tarring the Rich white guy in America, than they do about actually helping the poor black guy in the Third World slums.

Even when that guy is the brother of a major party nominee for President.

[Beet]

McCain can't remember how many houses he owns, yet Obama is the elitist candidate.

Interesting.

One can be a hobo and still an elitist, Meeker. Haven't you ever heard of Napoleon in rags?

[Meeker]

McCain can't remember how many houses he owns, yet Obama is the elitist candidate.

Interesting.

One can be a hobo and still an elitist, Meeker. Haven't you ever heard of Napoleon in rags?

No.

[12th Doctor]

BTW... here is another obvious difference... McCain didn't go head hunting for the story about Obama's brother.  Obama obviously launched this attack on McCain.

[Smash255]

Maybe if Obama bitchslaps McCain hard enough for being "rich" it will make him feel better about the brother he has left to starve.

You really need to give it up, already. Sorry, Soulty. That dog won't hunt.

Why should I?  Barack obviously hasn't given up on his ways yet.  This ridiculous attack on McCain is just proof of that.

I suppose like McCain you think the economy is fine, right?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So basically all you have proven, Brittain, is that there are alot more editors who are dying to play "gotcha" with John McCain.

Perhaps. But it's also a much catchier story, for various reasons.

Well, of course, people will always care more about tarring the Rich white guy in America, than they do about actually helping the poor black guy in the Third World slums.

True to an extent (people always care more about things happening in their world) but the McCain thing has something else going for it; it's a fairly straightforward gaffe. And in the world of 24 news... much easier to cover really.

[Brittain33]

So basically all you have proven, Brittain, is that there are alot more editors who are dying to play "gotcha" with John McCain.

Of course. What else is campaign coverage ever about? You track which stupid non-story has become the event of the week. For the first time in a while, it's not favoring McCain.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

BTW... here is another obvious difference... McCain didn't go head hunting for the story about Obama's brother.  Obama obviously launched this attack on McCain.

And McCain will respond with something Rezko related. Such is politics these days.

[12th Doctor]

You know, I really don't enjoy this kinda campaign, but I have no problem with it if the other guy persists in being vicious, and that is about all we have heard out of Obama's "new politics" since May.

[Brittain33]

Well, of course, people will always care more about tarring the Rich white guy in America, than they do about actually helping the poor black guy in the Third World slums.

Be honest. How much energy did you expend thinking about helping poor people in Third World slums before it became something that could be used against Obama, rather clumsily?

[Alcon]

BTW... here is another obvious difference... McCain didn't go head hunting for the story about Obama's brother.  Obama obviously launched this attack on McCain.

No, he launched "vacuous, elitist Hiltonian" story, and then Obama retorted with this out of desperation.  They both have comparable substance, as far as I'm concerned:

McCain's having investment houses doesn't have much to do with his being rich, which he is, and which may affect his policies maybe sort of.

And Obama having an enthused base doesn't have much to do with his being arrogant, which he is, and which may affect his behaviors maybe sort of.

Individuals are entitled to judge those two arguments on their individual merits, but totally discounting them to the point of "McCain is right, Obama is making stuff up!" or vice-versa kind of misses the point, IMHO.

[MODU]

Rogers didn't need to say that as a response to the ad.  All he had to say is that they were a collection of investment properties belonging to his wifes portfolio.

I don't think any answer involving "investment properties" and "portfolio" are going to help defend against an attack that McCain is so obscenely wealthy he doesn't have to worry about how many houses he owns. "My wife made me do it" is even worse for projecting a manly, self-made image. Besides, it's not true; he spends time at a bunch of them depending on the time of year and what kind of vacation or amenities he might be seeking.

What about Kerry?

[12th Doctor]

Well, of course, people will always care more about tarring the Rich white guy in America, than they do about actually helping the poor black guy in the Third World slums.

Be honest. How much energy did you expend thinking about helping poor people in Third World slums before it became something that could be used against Obama, rather clumsily?

Actually, I think my statements show that I am, by far, one of the most pro-foreign aid peopel on this forum, Republican or Democrat.

[Brittain33]

What about Kerry?

Exactly. A stellar candidate, was he?

[Sam Spade]

BTW... here is another obvious difference... McCain didn't go head hunting for the story about Obama's brother.  Obama obviously launched this attack on McCain.

And McCain will respond with something Rezko related. Such is politics these days.

Actually, all this type of back-and-forth crap does is excite the bases - which is probably the point.

[Brittain33]

Actually, I think my statements show that I am, by far, one of the most pro-foreign aid peopel on this forum, Republican or Democrat.

That may well be the case, but "foreign aid" has very little to do with what Barack Obama's stranger of a half-brother is doing with his life.
 

[12th Doctor]

BTW... here is another obvious difference... McCain didn't go head hunting for the story about Obama's brother.  Obama obviously launched this attack on McCain.

No, he launched "vacuous, elitist Hiltonian" story, and then Obama retorted with this out of desperation.  They both have comparable substance, as far as I'm concerned:

McCain's having investment houses doesn't have much to do with his being rich, which he is, and which may affect his policies maybe sort of.

And Obama having an enthused base doesn't have much to do with his being arrogant, which he is, and which may affect his behaviors maybe sort of.

Individuals are entitled to judge those two arguments on their individual merits, but totally discounting them to the point of "McCain is right, Obama is making stuff up!" or vice-versa kind of misses the point, IMHO.

I'd buy that if this weren't the standard line of attack for Democrats.  Run a rich guy and then accuse the other guy of being rich.

[Beet]

McCain can't remember how many houses he owns, yet Obama is the elitist candidate.

Interesting.

One can be a hobo and still an elitist, Meeker. Haven't you ever heard of Napoleon in rags?

No.

That was a joke. Although if the Democrats ran a hobo I'm sure the Republicans would try to say he looked down on the pigeons or something.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

BTW... here is another obvious difference... McCain didn't go head hunting for the story about Obama's brother.  Obama obviously launched this attack on McCain.

And McCain will respond with something Rezko related. Such is politics these days.

Actually, all this type of back-and-forth crap does is excite the bases - which is probably the point.

Well it certainly has done here...

[MODU]

What about Kerry?

Exactly. A stellar candidate, was he?

He was a poor candidate in general, but I'm referring to the outrage (or the lack there of) by the Democrats for his wife's financial assets, including multiple homes.  That's why I think this is a non-issue for Democrats and the general public, and people who are "outraged" by McCain's financial situation due to marriage yet supported Kerry without a similar "outrage" are simply being hypocritical.