Will Likud Joe be booted from the caucus in 2009?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yes.

Now the interesting thing is if he'll actually flip-flop on abortion and other stuff after that.

[Keystone Phil]

"Likud Joe"

I like.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

"Likud Joe"

I like.

Sadly I can't take credit for it. Thank Tweed.

[Хahar 🤔]

Yes.

And great job by Tweed.

[Nutmeg]

I doubt Harry Reid has the guts.  Assuming he remains leader.

[Hash]

Hopefully.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Booted?  Unlikely.

Democrats should want to keep him around in case things fall apart in the 2010 elections.

[Jacobtm]

Kadima USA?

[JSojourner]

I doubt Harry Reid has the guts.  Assuming he remains leader.

Bingo.  The way Reid and Pelosi have kissed Republican ass  since 2006 makes me think Reid may step aside so Joe can be Senate Majority Leader.

[Brittain33]

Booted?  Unlikely.

Democrats should want to keep him around in case things fall apart in the 2010 elections.

It seems like a mutual divorce at this point. If the Republicans look ascendent after 2010, Lieberman will jump anyway. Also, he'll be a lame duck, so he wouldn't owe the Democrats anything and would be in full spite mode.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Booted?  Unlikely.

Democrats should want to keep him around in case things fall apart in the 2010 elections.

The odds of the Dems losing around 5 or so seats in 2010 is almost zero, simply because of the map.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

What everyone seems to forget is that in the U.S. Senate, 50 votes is not the sole hurdle that matters.  Democrats need Lieberman to stay on their side for veto overrides (maybe?), ending filibusters (especially if McConnell gets re-elected), and passing controversial legislation that they'd rather not have their vulnerable freshmen voting in favor of.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What everyone seems to forget is that in the U.S. Senate, 50 votes is not the sole hurdle that matters.  Democrats need Lieberman to stay on their side for veto overrides (maybe?), ending filibusters (especially if McConnell gets re-elected), and passing controversial legislation that they'd rather not have their vulnerable freshmen voting in favor of.

I really doubt Lieberman would vote much differently outside of the caucus then he is now, other than changing the way he votes on 100% party-line legislation. He's still supported the Democrats' economic agenda for example.

[© tweed]

he'll be stripped of seniority and voluntarily leave the caucus.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

What everyone seems to forget is that in the U.S. Senate, 50 votes is not the sole hurdle that matters.  Democrats need Lieberman to stay on their side for veto overrides (maybe?), ending filibusters (especially if McConnell gets re-elected), and passing controversial legislation that they'd rather not have their vulnerable freshmen voting in favor of.

I really doubt Lieberman would vote much differently outside of the caucus then he is now, other than changing the way he votes on 100% party-line legislation. He's still supported the Democrats' economic agenda for example.

Party-line legislation is kinda where you need Lieberman to back your side.  If something is passing 88–11, who the hell needs an 89th vote?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What everyone seems to forget is that in the U.S. Senate, 50 votes is not the sole hurdle that matters.  Democrats need Lieberman to stay on their side for veto overrides (maybe?), ending filibusters (especially if McConnell gets re-elected), and passing controversial legislation that they'd rather not have their vulnerable freshmen voting in favor of.

I really doubt Lieberman would vote much differently outside of the caucus then he is now, other than changing the way he votes on 100% party-line legislation. He's still supported the Democrats' economic agenda for example.

Party-line legislation is kinda where you need Lieberman to back your side.  If something is passing 88–11, who the hell needs an 89th vote?

No, 100% party-line legislation is where it doesn't matter as long as we have a majority.

[Lunar]

he'll be stripped of seniority and voluntarily leave the caucus.

Exactly.  His top committee positions will go to other, more loyal Democrats. 

A more interesting question is whether he'll run for reelection or is banking his entire Career on McCain getting elected and becoming a cabinet member.

[Brittain33]

What everyone seems to forget is that in the U.S. Senate, 50 votes is not the sole hurdle that matters.  Democrats need Lieberman to stay on their side for veto overrides (maybe?), ending filibusters (especially if McConnell gets re-elected), and passing controversial legislation that they'd rather not have their vulnerable freshmen voting in favor of.

What you're not acknowledging is that Lieberman does as he pleases regardless of what the Democrats say, and isn't on our side for filibusters and veto overrides now. You're talking as if Lieberman's behavior depends on whether or not the Democrats keep him in the caucus or not. Too late; he's already left the reservation. At this point, Lieberman is getting more out of his caucus membership than the Democrats are. He's got his spite trip against the Democrats. Stop blaming the victim, the many Democratic senators who were loyal to Lieberman in his primary and either loyal to him or neutral in the general election, only to have him spit in their faces.

[Brittain33]

A more interesting question is whether he'll run for reelection or is banking his entire Career on McCain getting elected and becoming a cabinet member.

There is simply no way he runs for reelection. He campaigned in 2006 by running ads saying he wanted to bring the war to an end and promising to support the Democratic caucus and presidential candidate. He can't do that twice.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

No, he won't.  And I love the name.

[Хahar 🤔]

No, he won't.

Is that your opinion on whether he should or whether he will?

And I love the name.

You support Likud? Next thing we know, you'll be professing your love for United Torah Judaism.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

No, he won't.

Is that your opinion on whether he should or whether he will?

Both.

And I love the name.

You support Likud? Next thing we know, you'll be professing your love for United Torah Judaism.

At the moment, no, but things could change.

[Hash]

Give it a week or two, he'll be a FN, Social Alternative, United Torah Judaism, LDPR, and LAOS supporter.

[Хahar 🤔]

Give it a week or two, he'll be a FN, Social Alternative, United Torah Judaism, LDPR, and LAOS supporter.

I'd put it at about a month. On the other hand, "НЕ БРАТЬ И НЕ БОЯТЬСЯ!" is a very interesting slogan.

[AndrewTX]

I doubt it, but if he is I really don't care. I still like both of my Senators, though, I wish they would be doing more work *cough*dodd*cough*