Wow: Even the Associated Press is saying that Iraq has been won

[phk]

Check out these excerpts from the usually negative Associated Press:

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"Something's in the air"...?

The AP turns lyrical?

[NDN]

Oh good. Then I'm sure you'll be fine if we start to leave. Now.

[phk]

Oh good. Then I'm sure you'll be fine if we start to leave. Now.

Nope, we need bases for 100 years at least. The bigger project of Iran is next door.

[War on Want]

Oh good. Then I'm sure you'll be fine if we start to leave. Now.

Nope, we need bases for 100 years at least. The bigger project of Iran is next door.

lol I hope you aren't serious. If you are then you obiously understand very little about foriegn policy.

[Sbane]

I have a better idea phknrocket, let us bomb the sh**t out of Pakistan. That is where the real terrorists are anyways.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Now that's just tempting fate that is. Indeed just look what the BBCs top headline is right now:

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[??????????]

Oh good. Then I'm sure you'll be fine if we start to leave. Now.

Nope, we need bases for 100 years at least. The bigger project of Iran is next door.

lol I hope you aren't serious. If you are then you obiously understand very little about foriegn policy.

Obviously you don't understand what the whole goal of taking out Iraq really was.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

In facts, US won Irak more than less, didn't it?

I think the point is, until when...?

[??????????]

In facts, US won Irak more than less, didn't it?

I think the point is, until when...?

Until the insane religion (religion of "peace") takes hold of the government again.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

In facts, US won Irak more than less, didn't it?

I think the point is, until when...?

Until the insane religion (religion of "peace") takes hold of the government again.

That's what I think too.

Except one thing, which is important. I don't consider this religion as insane, but those who are trying to spread their interpretation of it, who are totally insane.

[??????????]

In facts, US won Irak more than less, didn't it?

I think the point is, until when...?

Until the insane religion (religion of "peace") takes hold of the government again.

That's what I think too.

Except one thing, which is important. I don't consider this religion as insane, but those who are trying to spread their interpretation of it, who are totally insane.

Yes, but the moderates are doing little if anything to change that thought process. Therefore "moderates" are as good as worthless. I hate to even make this comparison because all the jokers on this board will scream "godwin" but it's like saying that in 1938 German moderates would be able to change Nazi Germany. Sorry, their may have been moderate Germans but they had no political influence at all and while there, were really irrelevant. I feel the exact same way about "moderation" in the Middle East.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

In facts, US won Irak more than less, didn't it?

I think the point is, until when...?

Until the insane religion (religion of "peace") takes hold of the government again.

That's what I think too.

Except one thing, which is important. I don't consider this religion as insane, but those who are trying to spread their interpretation of it, who are totally insane.

Yes, but the moderates are doing little if anything to change that thought process. Therefore "moderates" are as good as worthless. I hate to even make this comparison because all the jokers on this board will scream "godwin" but it's like saying that in 1938 German moderates would be able to change Nazi Germany. Sorry, their may have been moderate Germans but they had no political influence at all and while there, were really irrelevant. I feel the exact same way about "moderation" in the Middle East.

Well, I don't say the opposite. I just say there is here no reason to qualify Islam an insane religion. We are just at an epoch where this religion is being gained by insane peoples who spread on profiting of the headaches of Muslim population. This is not the only religion to currently drive insane by such ways...

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

How about we withdraw every single soldier from overseas and never both with the rest of the planet again? The middle east is in Europe's geographical zone anyways so...

[JSojourner]

The surge has been an amazing success...

Which is why levels of violence and murder are only slightly higher than they were in 2006.  If that's success, I would hate to see their idea of defeat.  Perhaps we should find more local bottom feeders to bribe into not killing our soldiers...

[Tetro Kornbluth]

In facts, US won Irak more than less, didn't it?

I think the point is, until when...?

Until the insane religion (religion of "peace") takes hold of the government again.

You mean the Provisional Iraqi Government with the Pro-Iran faction in (and Iraqi Hezbollah)?

As opposed to the Secular dictatorship of Saddam Hussein who despite feeble attempts of conservatives to prove opposite only adopted an islamist veneer post-gulf war.

Anyway according to this it took five years for America to defeat Iraq, which let us recall:

1) Had factions and ethnic groups which were sympathetic towards the invasion, mainly the Kurds and possibly some of the Shi'ite Muslims aswell.
2) Was a country economically and socially crippled by economic sanctions and decaying, ancient infrastructure
3) An outdated, tiny and pathetic military made from archaic technology from the earliest the 80s. And of course no WMD.
4) Led by a dictator who rather spend his money on palaces than on the above military and had no legitimacy among the vast majority of Iraqi minority, Sunni upper class and Tikriti\Tribal loyalists excepted
5) Had for the Middle East very little history of religious inspired violence. Being against the "Religion of Peace" as you call it was why people like States cheered on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. How many of the 9/11 Hijackers were Iraqis again?

On this performance taking on a most better organized state, military and economy with 2.5 times the population and with a terrain in areas seemingly designed for guerilla warfare would clearly be huge success.

[??????????]

No WMDs? Please tell me why we've found hundreds of pounds of yellowcake as well as nerve gas. And why trucks were seen exiting Iraq into Syria right before the invasion.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

If they had, why didn't they use it?

Saddam wanted to be nice with the US coalition?

[??????????]

If they had, why didn't they use it?

Saddam wanted to be nice with the US coalition?

Lack of unit cohesion, confusion, fog of war. Any range of reasonable explanations. Or, they wanted to do what they are doing now. Let the army get rolled over and fight a guerrilla war which would be far more successful against the largest army in the world. You must remember, the Iraqi army was the fifth largest army in the world at the time of the invasion. If they really wanted to fight that kind of war, while they wouldn't have won, they would have put up a much greater fight.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Oh, they would have given up WMDs against a victory by guerilla?!?

And of course that would have been the great military Saddam who would have decided a strategy wich would have given so much chances to win...

Sorry but I think that Jas well described what was Irak before US army to go in, they lost because they could just lost against US, and far, because of the society and of the military.

Hmm, that's just an advice but I really think you should give up ways which drives you to the kind of arguments you've just had...

[??????????]

Hmm, that's just an advice but I really think you should give up ways which drives you to the kind of arguments you've just had...

My bad..I should have gotten in line by now, right?

OMG BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED, ImPeaCH BUsh , BuSH is SATAN@@@#!@!!

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

OMG BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED, ImPeaCH BUsh , BuSH is SATAN@@@#!@!!

Didn't Bush say once that Jesus gave him advices?

Could Satan take advices from Jesus?!? ;-)

Well, we never know, with him everything is possible...!

Sorry, highjack

[AkSaber]

The surge has been an amazing success...

Which is why levels of violence and murder are only slightly higher than they were in 2006.  If that's success, I would hate to see their idea of defeat.  Perhaps we should find more local bottom feeders to bribe into not killing our soldiers...

Yeah, Iraq and Afghanistan are being managed like Vietnam. Basically the military is being told what not to do. They're being handcuffed cause our politicians don't want to step on anyone's toes. Meanwhile, our soldiers are being murdered while our high-and-mighty politicians sit on the other side of the planet, tucked away behind thousands of body guards. Not only that, them and their friends have been raking in the cash, thanks to this war. Even the holier-than-thou anti war Democrats are profiting from it.

I must confess that is why I really don't like McCain. He'd be a four extension of the current train wreck we already have.

[War on Want]

Oh good. Then I'm sure you'll be fine if we start to leave. Now.

Nope, we need bases for 100 years at least. The bigger project of Iran is next door.

lol I hope you aren't serious. If you are then you obiously understand very little about foriegn policy.

Obviously you don't understand what the whole goal of taking out Iraq really was.

Read any books about it that are actually balanced? You know the whole reason we got into this mess was because of Wolfowitz and his ilk.

[NDN]

No WMDs? Please tell me why we've found hundreds of pounds of yellowcake as well as nerve gas.

We found hundreds of chemical weapons munitions in the desert that were degraded. The pentagon went on record as saying that those were from 1991 or earlier and essentially useless. There's no proof that Iraq had a serious nuclear program or anything along those lines.

[Хahar 🤔]

In facts, US won Irak more than less, didn't it?

I think the point is, until when...?

Until the insane religion (religion of "peace") takes hold of the government again.

That's what I think too.

Except one thing, which is important. I don't consider this religion as insane, but those who are trying to spread their interpretation of it, who are totally insane.

Yes, but the moderates are doing little if anything to change that thought process. Therefore "moderates" are as good as worthless. I hate to even make this comparison because all the jokers on this board will scream "godwin" but it's like saying that in 1938 German moderates would be able to change Nazi Germany. Sorry, their may have been moderate Germans but they had no political influence at all and while there, were really irrelevant. I feel the exact same way about "moderation" in the Middle East.

Once again, what the hell do you propose we do?