Do many Democrats refuse to live in suburbs?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yes, I know this poll sounds like it's self-parody almost however...

The suburbs immediately bordering Minneapolis are fairly Democratic, but they're not as Democratic as anywhere inside Minneapolis. And there is very little difference between them and the parts of Minneapolis proper they border. If it wasn't for the signs, you couldn't tell the block on one side of the street is a suburb and the one on the other side is part of a major urban area.

So are there many Democrats with my attitude who are refusing to live on the suburban side of the street and living on the Minneapolis side only so they can say they live in Minneapolis?

[Albus Dumbledore]

Who cares?

[Alcon]

I'm not sure.  It also could be Republicans refusing to live within city limits.  Essentially identical, adjacent precincts at the edge of cities tend to be a good few points more GOP on the suburban site.  I'd chalk this up to tax issues.  Maybe some of it is hipness of address, too.  Hard to know how much is which.

[Torie]

For those with kids, it's driven by school districts.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

For those with kids, it's driven by school districts.

There's a huge difference between the schools in Richfield and the schools in the super-wealthy parts of southwest Minneapolis? I doubt it.

[Torie]

For those with kids, it's driven by school districts.

There's a huge difference between the schools in Richfield and the schools in the super-wealthy parts of southwest Minneapolis? I doubt it.

Minneapolis is the exception which proves the rule of course, and I give you no small measure of credit in effecting that BRTD.

Hey, in the LA area, some parts of the City "look" like suburbs, and some of the suburbs "look" like the City. Figure that one out.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

For those with kids, it's driven by school districts.

There's a huge difference between the schools in Richfield and the schools in the super-wealthy parts of southwest Minneapolis? I doubt it.

Minneapolis is the exception which proves the rule of course, and I give you no small measure of credit in effecting that BRTD.

Hey, in the LA area, some parts of the City "look" like suburbs, and some of the suburbs "look" like the City. Figure that one out.

That still doesn't explain then why said super-wealthy parts are more Democratic than middle-class Richfield, not to mention far more Democratic than comparable wealthy suburbs. I suppose the Jews have a bit to do with it. Though that returns to the original question of why they aren't living in the wealthy suburbs.

[Torie]

In general it is the schools. I grew up in the City of Los Angeles in GOP neighborhoods. None of them are anymore. It's the schools that drove some of the change. The economy also changed, and other stuff, true.

[Sbane]

Torie is right that here in California, school districts are one of the main things to look at when buying a house. Since property taxes are low schools rely a lot on federal funding( high STAR testing scores) as well as donations from the community. Although you would think this would lead to more republicans in better school districts, the opposite is true here in the bay area. A lot of that has to do with Asians moving in, who will do whatever it takes to get their kids into these schools as well as the highly educated class moving in. Both these demographic changes are driving the rapid "democratization" of the bay area suburbs. Those whites who put a premium on space are rapidly getting priced out of the bay area and those are the people who are likely to vote GOP.

[Albus Dumbledore]

So BRTD, any luck on your 1000 your plan to have Atlasia be the site generating 90% of Google's results for suburb/suburban/suburbia?

[Хahar 🤔]

As everyone should know at this point, I live in a super-rich suburb. The reason it's so expensive is because of schools. My school is the sixth-best in the state according to standardized tests, and home prices in the school district are about $300-400K more than equivalent houses right outside the district. Yet I live in San Jose. OMG

[memphis]

Many Democrats can't afford to live in suburbs.  A big part of the reason cities are so Democratic is the ghetto.

[Sbane]

As everyone should know at this point, I live in a super-rich suburb. The reason it's so expensive is because of schools. My school is the sixth-best in the state according to standardized tests, and home prices in the school district are about $300-400K more than equivalent houses right outside the district. Yet I live in San Jose. OMG

LOL now I know why your football team sucks .

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

No. A lot of the Democrats are so poor that they have to live in the ghetto and can't afford to live in safe, clean suburb.

[Alcon]

Many Democrats can't afford to live in suburbs.  A big part of the reason cities are so Democratic is the ghetto.

That depends a heck of a lot on the city, and is just not true anymore in most of the Northeast and the West...

[Sbane]

No. A lot of the Democrats are so poor that they have to live in the ghetto and can't afford to live in safe, clean suburb.

Interesting how that has changed out here in the west and the northeast. Well it has a lot to do with your region of the country actually.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Many Democrats can't afford to live in suburbs.  A big part of the reason cities are so Democratic is the ghetto.

No. A lot of the Democrats are so poor that they have to live in the ghetto and can't afford to live in safe, clean suburb.

Did either of you read the post? (Well I guess the answer is Duke's case in obvious since he's an idiot who never reads crap and just got brutally fucking owned by Mikado). I'm talking about suburbs that border the city and are basically indistinguishable from the parts of the city they border. It'd be absolutely impossible to tell what is part of Edina or Richfield and what's part of southwest Minneapolis in that area if it wasn't for the signs labeling when you enter the next city, same with northeast Minneapolis and Columbia Heights. So in other words Duke is just being his usual idiotic braindead self.

[minionofmidas]

Okay, originally I was going to say "Define Many", but then I read the past few posts and thus noticed that I'd better read the opening post as well, and indeed it wasn't *quite* about what I thought it was about.

For those with kids, it's driven by school districts.

Not everywhere o/c, but yes, certainly a factor.

I'm not sure.  It also could be Republicans refusing to live within city limits. Essentially identical, adjacent precincts at the edge of cities tend to be a good few points more GOP on the suburban site.

Interestingly, you can sometimes find the something of the opposite pattern in Germany.
The suburbs that were eventually incorporated into Hanau vote more conservative than the ones that remain outside the city, but don't feel any richer. (Indeed, excempting the western side Hanau feels very down at heel. Income information for small areas isn't readily available here o/c.) In Hanau's case, it's probably something of a backlash phenomenon - see also urban Republicans in Staten Island or Philly (at state level more than at federal level in the latter case.)
Also, in Germany, for convoluted education politics reasons that it would fill a hundred pages to make you understand, purportedly "better" schools will frequently be situated in the core cities...

[Stranger in a strange land]

I doubt many consciously refuse to, but many are probably unable to or find them unappealing due to racial or socio-economic reasons, as opposed to the fact that they´re suburbs. Thus it´s characteristics assoicated with subrubs that make them unappealing to some groups that tend to vote democratic, not the fact that suburbs are suburbs.

[ilikeverin]

Hint:



Fair or not, Minneapolis schools are still perceived to be worse than suburban ones.

[Smash255]

No. A lot of the Democrats are so poor that they have to live in the ghetto and can't afford to live in safe, clean suburb.

Interesting how that has changed out here in the west and the northeast. Well it has a lot to do with your region of the country actually.

Yup, the south is a big reason why Long Island and other suburbs like it have changed from Republican to Democratic.

[Smash255]

Many Democrats can't afford to live in suburbs.  A big part of the reason cities are so Democratic is the ghetto.

No. A lot of the Democrats are so poor that they have to live in the ghetto and can't afford to live in safe, clean suburb.

Did either of you read the post? (Well I guess the answer is Duke's case in obvious since he's an idiot who never reads crap and just got brutally fucking owned by Mikado). I'm talking about suburbs that border the city and are basically indistinguishable from the parts of the city they border. It'd be absolutely impossible to tell what is part of Edina or Richfield and what's part of southwest Minneapolis in that area if it wasn't for the signs labeling when you enter the next city, same with northeast Minneapolis and Columbia Heights. So in other words Duke is just being his usual idiotic braindead self.

Some of the areas in northwest Nassau County are more Democratic than the bordering areas in northeast Queens.

[Torie]

As everyone should know at this point, I live in a super-rich suburb. The reason it's so expensive is because of schools. My school is the sixth-best in the state according to standardized tests, and home prices in the school district are about $300-400K more than equivalent houses right outside the district. Yet I live in San Jose. OMG

San Jose is a "super-rich" suburb?  Maybe you meant housing tract or something.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I doubt many consciously refuse to, but many are probably unable to or find them unappealing due to racial or socio-economic reasons, as opposed to the fact that they´re suburbs. Thus it´s characteristics assoicated with subrubs that make them unappealing to some groups that tend to vote democratic, not the fact that suburbs are suburbs.

However does that apply to areas where the city and suburbs border and both areas are practically indistinguishable from each other?

[Albus Dumbledore]

If they're indistinguisable they're not really suburbs as we know them.