Is Pat Buchanan a neocon?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No (normal)

[Bono]

Is the Pope a Muslim?

[J. J.]

No, he's a paleocon.

[Meeker]

Did someone claim he was?

[JSojourner]

No, he's a paleocon.

I am not sure what he is.  Definitely not a neocon.  Paleo?  Well, on many issues, yes.  Is he a paleocon on trade, tarriffs, organized labor and immigration?  I'm not sure he is.

On social issues, he's a Theocon.

[MasterJedi]

Did someone claim he was?

I doubt it, BRTD probably thought someone did and got obsessed about it.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Did someone claim he was?

benconstine cited him (and Reagan, who left office before neoconservatism was even a developed established ideology) as examples of non-Jewish neocons.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Did someone claim he was?

Yeah, I did.

[Sbane]

wow you really can obsess can't you BRTD. Of course the answer is no and I am sure Ben has learned his lesson.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

wow you really can obsess can't you BRTD. Of course the answer is no and I am sure Ben has learned his lesson.

It has more to do with the sheer stupidity of that statement. Pat Buchanan is probably the biggest right wing critic of neocons there is.

[Ban my account ffs!]

No.  Now please delete this thread before I come down to Minneapolis and crap on your front doorstep.

[MasterJedi]

No.  Now please delete this thread before I come down to Minneapolis and crap on your front doorstep.

Please bring many others to make a ring around his house, and then light it on fire.

[AkSaber]

No way!! He's against the Iraq War and the Gulf War as well.

In fact he said the Iraq War was made to benefit U.S. oil firms.

Sigh. If more people believed that I wonder how much better off we'd be.

[Brandon H]

This reminds me of the "Is Ron Paul a liberal?" thread from last year.

Buchanan is a Paleocon, not a Neocon. Buchanan is probably the best known example of a Paleocon.

[Flying Dog]

No! He's still an effing idiot, though.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No.  Now please delete this thread before I come down to Minneapolis and crap on your front doorstep.

Please bring many others to make a ring around his house, and then light it on fire.

I don't have a house. And you can't get through the front door of my building without a key or someone letting you in, so you can't get to my doorstep either.

[tik 🪀✨]

No.  Now please delete this thread before I come down to Minneapolis and crap on your front doorstep.

Please bring many others to make a ring around his house, and then light it on fire.

I don't have a house. And you can't get through the front door of my building without a key or someone letting you in, so you can't get to my doorstep either.

You do realize you've somewhat nonchalantly revealed that you never go outside, right?

Anyway, of course Buchanan isn't a neocon. Anyone who has heard him talk about how he views the Iraq debacle should know as such.

[Torie]

Pat is a  paleocon. Paleos and Neos have nothing in common, except that they both claim to be "conservative" which is laughable. I don't agree with Pat on anything.

[Torie]

No, he's a paleocon.

I am not sure what he is.  Definitely not a neocon.  Paleo?  Well, on many issues, yes.  Is he a paleocon on trade, tarriffs, organized labor and immigration?  I'm not sure he is.

On social issues, he's a Theocon.

JS. Pat bats 100% on Paleo issues. He is a protectionist, and nativist, Jew hater, and isolationist (now that the commies are largely gone, although bashing the Chicom trade does kill two birds with one stone) and loves labor as long as its will "native," e.g., the Paleos love the steel workers' union.

[JSojourner]

No, he's a paleocon.

I am not sure what he is.  Definitely not a neocon.  Paleo?  Well, on many issues, yes.  Is he a paleocon on trade, tarriffs, organized labor and immigration?  I'm not sure he is.

On social issues, he's a Theocon.

JS. Pat bats 100% on Paleo issues. He is a protectionist, and nativist, Jew hater, and isolationist (now that the commies are largely gone, although bashing the Chicom trade does kill two birds with one stone) and loves labor as long as its will "native," e.g., the Paleos love the steel workers' union.

Maybe I don't know my Paleos that well.  I get befuddled because it seems there are paleos who are very pro Israel (wouldn't Reagan, Bush Senior and Howard Baker be considered Paleo cons?) and virulently anti-union? 

I can tell you where Podhoretz and Sobran fit.  I know which side butters Dubya's bread and which tribe Papa Bush hails from.  But the crossover messes with my head.

It's also confusing because Neocons and Paleocons share Theocons.  The Theocrats seem to flit from one camp to the other.  And other conservatives seem to go with the flow.  Richard Lugar, for example.  I have always considered him a traditional conservative, a paleocon.  He's for a robust defense, but is very open to diplomatic engagement.  He's been critical of the current administration.  Yet he tends to be critical after voting WITH them...

I are confused.  Help an old man...

[Albus Dumbledore]

No.  Now please delete this thread before I come down to Minneapolis and crap on your front doorstep.

Please bring many others to make a ring around his house, and then light it on fire.

He lives in an apartment building so that won't work. You get an A for effort though.

[NDN]

Maybe I don't know my Paleos that well.  I get befuddled because it seems there are paleos who are very pro Israel (wouldn't Reagan, Bush Senior and Howard Baker be considered Paleo cons?) and virulently anti-union? 

Nope.

None of those are paleo-cons. Bush and Baker were moderate 'establishment' Republicans. Reagan was sort of all over the place but mostly a mix of theo and neo-con just like Bush the lesser. The last time we had a paleo-con as President was when Hoover was in the White House.

[Ronnie]

Considering he has written at least 500 books ranting against neoconservatism, I'd say no.

[Albus Dumbledore]

No.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No.  Now please delete this thread before I come down to Minneapolis and crap on your front doorstep.

Please bring many others to make a ring around his house, and then light it on fire.

I don't have a house. And you can't get through the front door of my building without a key or someone letting you in, so you can't get to my doorstep either.

You do realize you've somewhat nonchalantly revealed that you never go outside, right?

More like I never go outside to just let people in to take a crap on my doorstep.

Pat is a  paleocon. Paleos and Neos have nothing in common, except that they both claim to be "conservative" which is laughable. I don't agree with Pat on anything.

Which is exactly why I made this. Calling Buchanan a neocon is so mindnumblingly hilariously stupid. It's about as logical calling Tom Coburn a social democrat or Hillary Clinton a Serbian nationalist.