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« on: July 09, 2008, 02:25:37 PM »

Obama promised to fillibuster any retroactive immunity for not following FISA.

He was one of 72 Senators to vote to end debate on such a bill.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00167

How come Obama didn't keep his word, and join Clinton in voting nay?
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 02:26:57 PM »

That's change for you.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 02:27:32 PM »

Uh, wasn't he battling his own supporters over this over the last couple weeks? You didn't see this coming?
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 02:28:18 PM »

Uh, wasn't he battling his own supporters over this over the last couple weeks? You didn't see this coming?

I was hoping he'd keep his promise in the end. Hope and Obama don't go together any more.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 02:28:24 PM »


Change we can "believe" in!
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 02:30:32 PM »

After all, to quote No Use For a Name, "you can't spell believe without lie". Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 02:34:15 PM »

Turns out that Hillary may have been the more liberal senator, contrary to what the netroots has told us over the past few months.

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 02:36:32 PM »

Turns out that Hillary may have been the more liberal senator, contrary to what the netroots has told us over the past few months.


Well, I must say that this vote is a surprise. I'm not sure what the rationale behind Clinton voting more reasonably than Obama is. Hell, even McCain supported the fillibuster (by not showing up).

Of course anyone who believed that ranking of Obama as the most liberal Senator is seriously brain-damaged.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 02:40:11 PM »

Turns out that Hillary may have been the more liberal senator, contrary to what the netroots has told us over the past few months.


Well, I must say that this vote is a surprise. I'm not sure what the rationale behind Clinton voting more reasonably than Obama is. Hell, even McCain supported the fillibuster (by not showing up).

Of course anyone who believed that ranking of Obama as the most liberal Senator is seriously brain-damaged.

Hillary seems like more of a pragmatic liberal.

Who the hell knows where Obama stands.

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 02:41:08 PM »

Turns out that Hillary may have been the more liberal senator, contrary to what the netroots has told us over the past few months.


Well, I must say that this vote is a surprise. I'm not sure what the rationale behind Clinton voting more reasonably than Obama is. Hell, even McCain supported the fillibuster (by not showing up).

Of course anyone who believed that ranking of Obama as the most liberal Senator is seriously brain-damaged.

Hillary seems like more of a pragmatic liberal.

Who the hell knows where Obama stands.



He stands wherever his chances of being elected are higher.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 02:45:01 PM »

Turns out that Hillary may have been the more liberal senator, contrary to what the netroots has told us over the past few months.


Well, I must say that this vote is a surprise. I'm not sure what the rationale behind Clinton voting more reasonably than Obama is. Hell, even McCain supported the fillibuster (by not showing up).

Of course anyone who believed that ranking of Obama as the most liberal Senator is seriously brain-damaged.

Hillary seems like more of a pragmatic liberal.

Who the hell knows where Obama stands.



He stands wherever his chances of being elected are higher.

Which, oddly, was a common description of Hillary during the primaries and one of the reasons why many Obama supporters decided to vote for Obama over Hillary.

Hilarious to say the least.
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 03:27:43 PM »

Turns out that Hillary may have been the more liberal senator, contrary to what the netroots has told us over the past few months.


Well, I must say that this vote is a surprise. I'm not sure what the rationale behind Clinton voting more reasonably than Obama is. Hell, even McCain supported the fillibuster (by not showing up).

Of course anyone who believed that ranking of Obama as the most liberal Senator is seriously brain-damaged.
That's because Hillary Clinton has a track record of not selling out her values for political gain.
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 03:29:05 PM »

Turns out that Hillary may have been the more liberal senator, contrary to what the netroots has told us over the past few months.


Well, I must say that this vote is a surprise. I'm not sure what the rationale behind Clinton voting more reasonably than Obama is. Hell, even McCain supported the fillibuster (by not showing up).

Of course anyone who believed that ranking of Obama as the most liberal Senator is seriously brain-damaged.

Hillary seems like more of a pragmatic liberal.

Who the hell knows where Obama stands.



He stands wherever his chances of being elected are higher.

Which, oddly, was a common description of Hillary during the primaries and one of the reasons why many Obama supporters decided to vote for Obama over Hillary.

Hilarious to say the least.
Which is odd because she's never really flip flopped or changed positions if I recall correctly.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 05:40:26 PM »

Obama camapign in October:

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Obama in January:

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LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 05:45:06 PM »

amusing thread...
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2008, 05:50:49 PM »

Turns out that Hillary may have been the more liberal senator, contrary to what the netroots has told us over the past few months.


Well, I must say that this vote is a surprise. I'm not sure what the rationale behind Clinton voting more reasonably than Obama is. Hell, even McCain supported the fillibuster (by not showing up).

Of course anyone who believed that ranking of Obama as the most liberal Senator is seriously brain-damaged.
That's because Hillary Clinton has a track record of not selling out her values for political gain.


hahahahaha


Seriously though, this was pretty pathetic on Obama's part. Vert Mitt Romneyish, I must say.
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2008, 06:00:42 PM »

Obama camapign in October:

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Obama in January:

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Obama in February:

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LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

Are you on McCain's payroll?
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2008, 06:06:47 PM »

Obama camapign in October:

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Obama in January:

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No, he's just a concerned liberal.
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2008, 06:10:26 PM »

Thank god we're safe and good riddance to rights. The constitution is outdated in this age of car battery assisted testicle torture, Sodomy with broomhandles, jackboots, waterboarding, snappy black uniforms, Zyklon B, Extraordinary Rendition and endless feel-good media pablum that white-washes fascist atrocities. Why we don't even need these so called civil rights and privacy anymore. Only godless lieberals, jew pigs and terrorists need those anymore. George Bush is a veritable second Dwight D. Eisenhoweffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2008, 07:25:24 PM »

The RNC and the liberal blogosphere, seemingly, piling heat on Obama on FISA. Thing is McCain has flipped aplenty - and you know what they say about people in glass houses Wink

McCain, of course, wasn't even there to vote. And that's another grievance I'd have against the senator. In the 110th Congress, McCain has skipped 61.8% of votes; Obama, 43.5% and Clinton, 33.2%. The only senator other than McCain to miss most votes is Tim Johnson of SD and with good reason

Any one would think McCain had been alone among senators to have sought his party's presidential nomination in 2008

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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2008, 07:37:00 PM »

W/e. He's the best America can get.
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2008, 07:38:50 PM »

The RNC and the liberal blogosphere, seemingly, piling heat on Obama on FISA. Thing is McCain has flipped aplenty - and you know what they say about people in glass houses Wink

McCain, of course, wasn't even there to vote. And that's another grievance I'd have against the senator. In the 110th Congress, McCain has skipped 61.8% of votes; Obama, 43.5% and Clinton, 33.2%. The only senator other than McCain to miss most votes is Tim Johnson of SD and with good reason

Any one would think McCain had been alone among senators to have sought his party's presidential nomination in 2008

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If Obama hadn't been there, at least he wouldn't have reneged on his support of a fillibuster. McCain's vote counted as a vote for the fillibuster. Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing a bad job.

Republican Senator Brownback ran for President. Yeah, that didn't work out.
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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2008, 07:41:03 PM »

Yet more proof that Obama is another neocon hack. Too bad we have to live in the world where Carter got elected 4 years too early, and 1977-81 discredited everything to the left of neoconservatism/religious fascism.
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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2008, 08:33:10 PM »
« Edited: July 09, 2008, 08:43:19 PM by Jack Point the Jester »

Turns out that Hillary may have been the more liberal senator, contrary to what the netroots has told us over the past few months.



Since when is the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act a liberal/conservative issue?
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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2008, 08:36:25 PM »


That's right! Screw the issues, who cares what Obama says .. he's the best American can get!

Good thing you can't vote.
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