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« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2008, 07:04:40 PM »

Blaming the SPD for that is absurd. The SPD had (in practice at least) much less of a problem working with the bourgeois parties than (some of) the bourgeois parties (the DVP (total puppets of the industrialists) especially).

In the later Stresemann years, the DVP did participate in coalition governments, nearly as much as the DDP. Afterwards, of course, they became Nationalists-lite.

The SPD could be just as stubborn, though. Recall the way Ebert chastised the leadership upon the fall of the Stresemann government.
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« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2008, 09:27:24 PM »

So, Al, what do you think of the South African death camps the British sent Boer women and children to during the Boer Wars?

yeah.. because being disgusted with joking around about the Holocaust is equivalent to denying your own  nation's past mistakes.
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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2008, 09:36:21 PM »

Weimar Government's complete and utter uselessness.
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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2008, 10:01:00 PM »


That's not actually very funny. In fact, it's probably one of the least funny things ever posted here.

Because genocide is oh so very funny when it happens to people you don't like. Har. Har. Har.

It's official, Al has lost his sense of humor.
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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2008, 10:07:45 PM »


That's not actually very funny. In fact, it's probably one of the least funny things ever posted here.

Because genocide is oh so very funny when it happens to people you don't like. Har. Har. Har.

Lighten up a little. I thought it was funny even though I am Jewish.

I didn't know you were Jewish Smiley  Btw, I thought it was funny, too.
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« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2008, 10:14:04 PM »

--- actual answer to the question ---

So many reasons.

Without the penalties placed on Germany at Versailles - especially the restrictions on industry - did two things,

a) it completely emasculated German national pride.... dangerous thing to do.

b) it left Germany utterly unprotected and unprepared for the impact of the depression - the hyper-inflation caused by France's occupation in 1923 was the first sign. Funnily enough an (in the end) untrue statement by Hitler about the Soviet Union was in fact true about Germany from the end of the War until the depression hit "all you have to do is kick in the door, and the whole stinking structure will fall to the ground".

Hitler spoke to both of them. Combining extreme nationalism with remilitarisation/industralisation was a political masterstroke.  Notice the NAZIs didn't really gain any national political traction until the economic situation was at it's worst?
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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2008, 10:14:23 PM »


That's not actually very funny. In fact, it's probably one of the least funny things ever posted here.

Because genocide is oh so very funny when it happens to people you don't like. Har. Har. Har.

It's official, Al has lost his sense of humor.
I also found it odd that Al was against shallow and tasteless "jokes", given how many he's made. Biggest overreaction ever.
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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2008, 10:21:23 PM »

Alright, now I'll give a serious answer:

1) Hitler's natural charisma, mixed in with the weakness of the Weimar Government.
2) Economic troubles worldwide due to the Great Depression.
3) German anger at the Treaty of Versailles.
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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2008, 10:37:49 PM »

Do descendents of conversos count as jews for the purpose of this conversation?
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2008, 12:13:55 AM »

Blaming the SPD for that is absurd. The SPD had (in practice at least) much less of a problem working with the bourgeois parties than (some of) the bourgeois parties (the DVP (total puppets of the industrialists) especially).
Exactly, if anything they had too much of a willingness to help with the center-right and could have possibly even governed Germany if they had tried to split off and distance themselves from the other parties. Also they could have tried to be more conciliatory with the KPD but this probably would have blown up in their faces.
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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2008, 01:30:10 AM »

Versailles? It wasn't Versailles. The Versailles revisionists belonged to the DVP and DNVP.
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2008, 06:26:15 AM »

In the later Stresemann years, the DVP did participate in coalition governments, nearly as much as the DDP. Afterwards, of course, they became Nationalists-lite.

I was thinking more of the events that surrounded the collapse of the Müller government in 1930.
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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2008, 06:55:47 AM »

I also found it odd that Al was against shallow and tasteless "jokes",

There's a difference between making tastless and off-colour jokes and the sort of shallow, unfunny, cruel, childish sneering that far too often passes for humour these days.
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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2008, 07:38:21 AM »

Blaming the SPD for that is absurd. The SPD had (in practice at least) much less of a problem working with the bourgeois parties than (some of) the bourgeois parties (the DVP (total puppets of the industrialists) especially).
I think J.J. is thinking of 1930.
For by 1932, noone with any sort of access to Hindenburg was still thinking of democratic or majority-supported governments except in terms of ways to make them illegal.

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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2008, 10:39:35 AM »

Let's see how FUNNY you all find this:

Yeah, all of that probably breaches the ToS somehow. And it was upsetting to post and will certainly be upsetting to look at. But I think their use is justified in this case. I don't think that statistics or words can get through to people here sometimes.

There must be something seriously wrong with Western society if genocide can be reduced to (deeply unfunny and utterly shallow) "jokes" of the kind seen in this thread. It isn't really humour and it certainly isn't a way of coping with the horror of what happend. How cruel, how uncaring, how sheltered the Children of the Internets are.

Al... calm down.  I don't think anyone is laughing at the Holocaust.  We are laughing at the people who think that a "Jewish Conspiracy" is a credible theory. 
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« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2008, 09:19:34 PM »

In the later Stresemann years, the DVP did participate in coalition governments, nearly as much as the DDP. Afterwards, of course, they became Nationalists-lite.

I was thinking more of the events that surrounded the collapse of the Müller government in 1930.

Agree in that case: it's hard to help form government when all the other parties hate what you stand for.
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« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2008, 10:33:05 PM »

Depraved art.
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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2008, 11:03:34 PM »


Shirer has a funny story about that in his Rise and Fall. There was an exhibition of "depraved art" in a small back alley (in Munich, I think) at the same time there was an exhibition of "Aryan art". Goebbels had to close down the depraved art exhibition after not too long because it was outdrawing the Aryan art.
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2008, 11:18:23 PM »


Shirer has a funny story about that in his Rise and Fall. There was an exhibition of "depraved art" in a small back alley (in Munich, I think) at the same time there was an exhibition of "Aryan art". Goebbels had to close down the depraved art exhibition after not too long because it was outdrawing the Aryan art.

Haha oh wow.
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« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2008, 03:50:23 PM »

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« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2008, 06:11:36 PM »

He basically created a political party and then gained the most amount votes.
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« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2008, 06:18:24 PM »

He basically created a political party and then gained the most amount votes.

Incorrect.
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« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2008, 06:23:56 PM »

He basically created a political party and then gained the most amount votes.

Lol. Read a book.
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« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2008, 06:29:26 PM »

He basically created a political party and then gained the most amount votes.

Lol. Read a book.

Well, the DAP that he found was so different from the NSDAP that took power that it could be said that he essentially created it.
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« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2008, 06:31:03 PM »

He basically created a political party and then gained the most amount votes.

Lol. Read a book.

Well, the DAP that he found was so different from the NSDAP that took power that it could be said that he essentially created it.

I wasn't talking about that part of his statement entirely. His entire statement put into the realm of things and the question is funny.
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