The Case For a New Left

[Хahar 🤔]

Parties come and go like the tides in Atlasia. And now that the spring tide of the last election has left, leaving a long, deserted beachfront of inactivity, the mainstream parties of left and right have been beached and stranded to die, leaving only the NLC and JCP.

I have nothing against the NLC; it is a vibrant, active party, something we have all too little of. But it is fair to say that its classical liberalism is not by any means for everyone. There must be others.

The only other is the JCP. In theory, it should be as strong as the NLC, the symbol of the vibrant Atlasian left. But it is not. It has hunkered down in its stronghold of the Pacific. JCP leaders will protest that this is no fault of the party's own. And I will forgive the JCP that. But it has entered into permanent coalition with the NLC. Disregarding the silliness of this ideologically, it is bad for Atlasia as a game to have an all-powerful alliance.

But these can reasonably be said to be passive. The JCP is also playing an all too active role in the decline of Atlasia, in its nomination of empty suits. What good has Friz done for Atlasia? The answer is, of course, none. He is inactive, just as Rob and Everett before him.

We need a real, all-encompassing party of the left. It need not be hostile to the Pacifican majority; rather, it can incorporate a good deal of the old leadership. But we need a fresh look.

I realize I cannot be the one to accomplish this. I hope that the JCP, Porce and Jesus, will realize this of their own. Perhaps this is impossibly optimistic. But we must move forward.

Let me conclude with a quote from Lincoln:

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

And this is what we must do. For Atlasia.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

The only other is the JCP. In theory, it should be as strong as the NLC, the symbol of the vibrant Atlasian left. But it is not. It has hunkered down in its stronghold of the Pacific. JCP leaders will protest that this is no fault of the party's own. And I will forgive the JCP that. But it has entered into permanent coalition with the NLC. Disregarding the silliness of this ideologically, it is bad for Atlasia as a game to have an all-powerful alliance.

Huh?

[bgwah]

Firstly, even though I never clearly understood why, it appears you're the main reason the PLP died. Why would any the rest of liberal Atlasia want to start a party with you?

Secondly, the PLP kept nominating people like Polnut. He really was an awful candidate (no offense Polnut), and I don't regret never supporting him. I think Colin was a good President. I expected funny craziness with Phil, but I, like many others I would guess, have been disappointed with his presidency (seriously, what's with the lack of crazy Naso drama?).

As for Mr. Moderate, I honestly didn't like him at first, but he's grown on me over time. I've been very impressed with his work as SoFA and I think he'll make a great President. Plus, Ebowed is his VP, so obviously I'm voting for the ticket!

Thirdly, the JCP would love to have more active members. CultureKing has been active, and we had Lewis briefly (I'm disappointed he left, but he never has been one to stay in a party long and I honestly expected his departure. Maybe he'll surprise me and re-join ). Ebowed is one of Atlasia's most active people, and I think I've been a fairly active Governor. Our region has passed more than 50 pieces of legislation during my tenure as Governor, and we of course discussed and voted on more that were not passed, and I've never opened a voting booth lately. I think it's silly to call the JCP an inactive party.

Once the dust settles after this weekend's election, I hope more liberals consider the JCP. The JCP has proven it will last, and I have no intention of having it merge with the next liberal party of the month.

And really, what Atlasia might need even more desperately is a conservative party. But that's a discussion for another thread.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

And really, what Atlasia might need even more desperately is a conservative party. But that's a discussion for another thread.

Dead on the money.

[Хahar 🤔]

The only other is the JCP. In theory, it should be as strong as the NLC, the symbol of the vibrant Atlasian left. But it is not. It has hunkered down in its stronghold of the Pacific. JCP leaders will protest that this is no fault of the party's own. And I will forgive the JCP that. But it has entered into permanent coalition with the NLC. Disregarding the silliness of this ideologically, it is bad for Atlasia as a game to have an all-powerful alliance.

Huh?

First Wixted, now you.

Firstly, even though I never clearly understood why, it appears you're the main reason the PLP died. Why would any the rest of liberal Atlasia want to start a party with you?

Secondly, the PLP kept nominating people like Polnut. He really was an awful candidate (no offense Polnut), and I don't regret never supporting him. I think Colin was a good President. I expected funny craziness with Phil, but I, like many others I would guess, have been disappointed with his presidency (seriously, what's with the lack of crazy Naso drama?).

As for Mr. Moderate, I honestly didn't like him at first, but he's grown on me over time. I've been very impressed with his work as SoFA and I think he'll make a great President. Plus, Ebowed is his VP, so obviously I'm voting for the ticket!

Thirdly, the JCP would love to have more active members. CultureKing has been active, and we had Lewis briefly (I'm disappointed he left, but he never has been one to stay in a party long and I honestly expected his departure. Maybe he'll surprise me and re-join ). Ebowed is one of Atlasia's most active people, and I think I've been a fairly active Governor. Our region has passed more than 50 pieces of legislation during my tenure as Governor, and we of course discussed and voted on more that were not passed, and I've never opened a voting booth lately. I think it's silly to call the JCP an inactive party.

Once the dust settles after this weekend's election, I hope more liberals consider the JCP. The JCP has proven it will last, and I have no intention of having it merge with the next liberal party of the month.

And really, what Atlasia might need even more desperately is a conservative party. But that's a discussion for another thread.

Granted, you're a fine Governor, and Porce was a good Senator and is a good Vice President. But the Lieutenenant Governor has professed a lack of interest in Atlasia, and then there's Friz, the worst two-twrm Senator in Atlasian history, whom you constantly prop up in the face of better and more active candidates. You're an active party that cares about Atlasia? Prove it by throwing out this empty suit.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

First Wixted, now you.

When ColinWixted sought and earned the support of the JCP, the NLC did not even exist.  And Jas, whom easily won the NLC Primary, got virtually no support from JCPers.

And we haven't even touched Senate races.

[Хahar 🤔]

First Wixted, now you.

When ColinWixted sought and earned the support of the JCP, the NLC did not even exist.  And Jas, whom easily won the NLC Primary, got virtually no support from JCPers.

And we haven't even touched Senate races.

Yes, the last election was an anomaly, a split. But Colin got the future NLC, and the coalition was restored when Phil chose you.

Let's touch them. The NLC and JCP have never run opposing candidates.

[AndrewTX]

How many JCP members live in the Northeast area, and how many NLC members live in the Pacific?

[Хahar 🤔]

How many JCP members live in the Northeast area, and how many NLC members live in the Pacific?

Ask Moderate. He brought up Senate elections.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

First Wixted, now you.

When ColinWixted sought and earned the support of the JCP, the NLC did not even exist.  And Jas, whom easily won the NLC Primary, got virtually no support from JCPers.

And we haven't even touched Senate races.

Yes, the last election was an anomaly, a split. But Colin got the future NLC, and the coalition was restored when Phil chose you.

Let's touch them. The NLC and JCP have never run opposing candidates.

Except in the PR-STV elections, of course.  The NLC ran a full slate which got very little JCP support.

[Colin]

First Wixted, now you.

When ColinWixted sought and earned the support of the JCP, the NLC did not even exist.  And Jas, whom easily won the NLC Primary, got virtually no support from JCPers.

And we haven't even touched Senate races.

Yes, the last election was an anomaly, a split. But Colin got the future NLC, and the coalition was restored when Phil chose you.

I got nothing. I never actively courted the JCP. I have been longtime friends and allies of some members of the JCP, especially Vice President Porce, but I never did any active courting of the JCP in any of my elections. The closest I came was the Progressive Primary in my bid for a second term. I was able to get JCP votes because I was the better choice of the two delegate leaders not because of some concerted effort on my part to create a "permanent coalition" between our two parties. I reached out to the JCP just as I reached out to the entire left, because I knew I had to in order to win.

As Mr. Moderate brought up when I first ran for President the NLC didn't exist. I was part of a very tiny centre-right party called the Radicals, along with Bacon King and Gully Foyle. The NLC wasn't created until roughly a month into my first term.

I also have to second what Jesus said. The PLP never ran very good candidates. Sensei was probably the best person that ran for any office. Polnut, for all his long winded speeches and high praise from some circles on the left, was very lacklustre and even if he had pulled out a win in the Progressive Primary I wasn't in a whole lot of trouble. I'm just happy that Polnut wasn't elected, or else we would have seen the Keystone Phil administration, in levels of activity, four months earlier.

Also having a bunch of really childish, immature, 13 year olds, like yourself, Evil Mexican Dictator, and benconstine, didn't help us. You tarnished the PLP's reputation with your antics, egotism, and overall unpleasant demeanor. The PLP was generally considered a solid, responsible, left-wing party that had lasted for over a year before you guys came around.

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This is quite simply due to our strengths. The JCP is strongest in the Pacific and has little presence elsewhere. The NLC has a very strong presence in the Northeast, smaller but still large presences in the Southeast and Mideast, and a small contingent in the Midwest. The NLC is an eastern party and the JCP is a western party. Geographically there isn't much overlap where there could be competition between the NLC and JCP. Talk to Verily, the NLC has been trying to run candidates in all regions since its inception, we would love to get an active support base in the Pacific.

The NLC is also hurt by the nature of the population in the Pacific. Almost everyone out there is a social democrat or socialist. There are very few liberals, in the definition of the NLC. Unlike the Northeast and Southeast, where there has always been a strong base of liberals, in the Northeast they are the majority in the Southeast they were usually the opposition to stronger moderate conservative forces, the Pacific just doesn't have the base of support for the NLC. It's a simple as electoral geography and demographic patterns not some sinistre conspiracy amongst the ruling elites of Atlasia.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

How many JCP members live in the Northeast area, and how many NLC members live in the Pacific?

There are no JCP members in the Northeast.  There is one NLC member in the Pacific.

[Hash]

Let's touch them. The NLC and JCP have never run opposing candidates.

It's hard to run opposing candidates when the said party has little or no membership in the one area where the other party is strong.

[Хahar 🤔]

First Wixted, now you.

When ColinWixted sought and earned the support of the JCP, the NLC did not even exist.  And Jas, whom easily won the NLC Primary, got virtually no support from JCPers.

And we haven't even touched Senate races.

Yes, the last election was an anomaly, a split. But Colin got the future NLC, and the coalition was restored when Phil chose you.

I got nothing. I never actively courted the JCP. I have been longtime friends and allies of some members of the JCP, especially Vice President Porce, but I never did any active courting of the JCP in any of my elections. The closest I came was the Progressive Primary in my bid for a second term. I was able to get JCP votes because I was the better choice of the two delegate leaders not because of some concerted effort on my part to create a "permanent coalition" between our two parties. I reached out to the JCP just as I reached out to the entire left, because I knew I had to in order to win.

As Mr. Moderate brought up when I first ran for President the NLC didn't exist. I was part of a very tiny centre-right party called the Radicals, along with Bacon King and Gully Foyle. The NLC wasn't created until roughly a month into my first term.

I also have to second what Jesus said. The PLP never ran very good candidates. Sensei was probably the best person that ran for any office. Polnut, for all his long winded speeches and high praise from some circles on the left, was very lacklustre and even if he had pulled out a win in the Progressive Primary I wasn't in a whole lot of trouble. I'm just happy that Polnut wasn't elected, or else we would have seen the Keystone Phil administration, in levels of activity, four months earlier.

Also having a bunch of really childish, immature, 13 year olds, like yourself, Evil Mexican Dictator, and benconstine, didn't help us. You tarnished the PLP's reputation with your antics, egotism, and overall unpleasant demeanor. The PLP was generally considered a solid, responsible, left-wing party that had lasted for over a year before you guys came around.

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This is quite simply due to our strengths. The JCP is strongest in the Pacific and has little presence elsewhere. The NLC has a very strong presence in the Northeast, smaller but still large presences in the Southeast and Mideast, and a small contingent in the Midwest. The NLC is an eastern party and the JCP is a western party. Geographically there isn't much overlap where there could be competition between the NLC and JCP. Talk to Verily, the NLC has been trying to run candidates in all regions since its inception, we would love to get an active support base in the Pacific.

The NLC is also hurt by the nature of the population in the Pacific. Almost everyone out there is a social democrat or socialist. There are very few liberals, in the definition of the NLC. Unlike the Northeast and Southeast, where there has always been a strong base of liberals, in the Northeast they are the majority in the Southeast they were usually the opposition to stronger moderate conservative forces, the Pacific just doesn't have the base of support for the NLC. It's a simple as electoral geography and demographic patterns not some sinistre conspiracy amongst the ruling elites of Atlasia.

I realize it's nothing active, but it seems like Atlasia's too largest parties have been together more often than not. And that's not a good thing. Maybe the PLP nver did run good candidates. But poor candidates have run (and won) before. And I've been through the thing about me and the PLP with Moderate, so I won't again. But I will hasten to add that Evilmexicandictator has never done anything but vote in Atlasia. Nor has he ever been a PLPer.
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But I feel like this squabbling over a few sentences has overshadowed the real point of my speech: that the left needs to reorganize, and soon, if we want to see a new Atlasia. The right does as well, but I am not one of the right.

[Sensei]

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Bingo. And this is the main reason I left the PLP and refuse to be involved with any other party that counts Xahar or Benconstine among its members.

[Хahar 🤔]

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Bingo. And this is the main reason I left the PLP and refuse to be involved with any other party that counts Xahar or Benconstine among its members.

Care to elaborate? I can take it from Colin, but I need more explanation from someone who destroyed a party because of it.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I just hope this "New Left" involves Xahar, EMD, and Benconstine, that will be great for what is left of the right in Atlasia

[Sensei]

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Bingo. And this is the main reason I left the PLP and refuse to be involved with any other party that counts Xahar or Benconstine among its members.

Care to elaborate? I can take it from Colin, but I need more explanation from someone who destroyed a party because of it.

He said it all. I would have thrown arrogance and all of those extremely quixotic and eventually embarrassing races in the Pacific that you decided to pursue in as well.

[Хahar 🤔]

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Bingo. And this is the main reason I left the PLP and refuse to be involved with any other party that counts Xahar or Benconstine among its members.

Care to elaborate? I can take it from Colin, but I need more explanation from someone who destroyed a party because of it.

He said it all. I would have thrown arrogance and all of those extremely quixotic and eventually embarrassing races in the Pacific that you decided to pursue in as well.

Yes, the same codewords. Others have run quixotic campaigns. And my campaigns weren't that hopeless. I paved the way for what's happenning in the Pacific this very moment.

But the problem with Atlasia is inacivity. And a way to fix that is to do your duty. So why don't you go and open up the Mideastern voting booth for thhe December Elections Amendment?

[Sensei]

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Bingo. And this is the main reason I left the PLP and refuse to be involved with any other party that counts Xahar or Benconstine among its members.

Care to elaborate? I can take it from Colin, but I need more explanation from someone who destroyed a party because of it.

He said it all. I would have thrown arrogance and all of those extremely quixotic and eventually embarrassing races in the Pacific that you decided to pursue in as well.

Yes, the same codewords. Others have run quixotic campaigns. And my campaigns weren't that hopeless. I paved the way for what's happenning in the Pacific this very moment.

But the problem with Atlasia is inacivity. And a way to fix that is to do your duty. So why don't you go and open up the Mideastern voting booth for thhe December Elections Amendment?

calm yourself, I was going to do that right now.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I just love being walloped in the nuts. Given we have no idea what would have happened if I had been elected, it's a bit rich to presume the worst.

Seriously... I'm being listed as a reason for the collapse of the PLP?

It really wasn't too hard it figure out why.

The NLC. It became the party for almost all but a fringe of those on the left and the right.
You had the well administered thought generally uninspiring Wixted presidency. Then you had the influx of two new, generally very left wing, groups come in. One lot, went to PLP - and started to overwhelm whatever moderate-minded people were left.

Then you had another lot who joined the JCP. The JCP is not a party, it's a regional tribe. It wins elections in the Pacific, since that's virtually where all the members are.

I'm not running for anything, and certainly don't intend to again. So people best start looking at the real reasons why there's no legitimate left banner in Atlasia.   The thing that SO many are over-looking. This is an ELECTION sim, in elections you have the inspiring windbags (which seems to include me) - people will get bored and leave when the game is only about administration. People need and want those whole parts of the game of politics that are so rarely used... and if fact discounted by many who are judging an adminstration that never happened.

I have no idea if there was any point to that...

[HappyWarrior]

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Bingo. And this is the main reason I left the PLP and refuse to be involved with any other party that counts Xahar or Benconstine among its members.

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[Colin]

You had the well administered thought generally uninspiring Wixted presidency.

I'm sorry I was so uninspiring Polnut. I focused more on actually getting things done and being competent in the office of the Presidency than in giving big lofty speeches about Atlasia's greatness every week. I didn't call for random and pompous proclamations of a "greater tomorrow" or a return to the "glory days of Atlasia". Jas and myself actually concentrated on the day to day governance of this nation. We actually came in with a legislative agenda that we were able to pass in the two terms I was in the office. I can't remember the last time a President actually came into office with a well defined platform/policies and then spent his entire term implementing those policies. I was elected as Atlasia's leader not her guidance counselor. I wish I could have been more "inspiring" but I had the more important job of governance at hand.

Does anyone else agree that I was uninspiring? What made me so uninspiring? (that's a question to both Polnut and others) I tried to inspire Atlasia by being an active and involved presence at the top level, something we hadn't seen in this country for a very long time.

Also, as you pointed out, we don't know what would have happened under a Polnut presidency. However my belief is it wouldn't have looked much different than your tenure in another executive office, Mideast governor.

[minionofmidas]

If you want to know what happens in Atlasia under a genuinely uninspiring administration, just look at the current one.

[Hatman 🍁]

It's no longer possible to unite the left, that's why I run the Progressive Primary so that at least once every four months we can come together and participate in something meaningful. My original intention was to unite the left, but that's not something I'm willing to even try anymore.