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« on: June 09, 2008, 01:40:48 PM »

Well?
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2008, 01:43:19 PM »
« Edited: June 09, 2008, 01:48:39 PM by ChrisFromNJ »

It's codespeak for "I'm an intolerant bigot who does not like gays and does not want to give them the rights to marry."
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2008, 01:43:40 PM »

An appreciation of the traditional role of the nuclear family in society, an understanding that each child should be entitled to a mother and a father as a civil right, and a respect for human life and moral decency.

There, defined it in the second post.

Still waiting on the "Community organizer" thing....
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2008, 01:43:54 PM »

A better question is why you're asking a forum full of intelligent people this question.
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2008, 01:46:54 PM »

Seriously?  Whatever issue that can possibly be construed as a family-related issue that conforms with the ideology of whatever politician is using the term.  Next.
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 01:47:05 PM »

An appreciation of the traditional role of the nuclear family in society, an understanding that each child should be entitled to a mother and a father as a civil right, and a respect for human life and moral decency.

There, defined it in the second post.

Still waiting on the "Community organizer" thing....

The nuclear family is not all that traditional. Really, it was only made possible in the 20th century due to Social Security and antibiotics. The extended family is the much more common historical example. I don't see a lot of respect for human life from the "family values" crowd.
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2008, 01:57:00 PM »

The nuclear family is not all that traditional. Really, it was only made possible in the 20th century due to Social Security and antibiotics. The extended family is the much more common historical example. I don't see a lot of respect for human life from the "family values" crowd.

As you should know from my posts here, I'm not a part of the "family values" crowd, but I can give it some sort of definition.  I would leave it to an adherent to give it a more comprehensive or accurate definition.
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2008, 01:58:23 PM »

It means thinking the 1950s were golden age of Civilisation where all was well in America because the alpha male husband beat the wife and children if they disobeyed while eating their bible but they can't escape because that means you are Teh Kommunist!1111. And having watched a Doris Day comedy once I can't help but agree.
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2008, 02:05:25 PM »

Anywhere between $50 and a few thousand bucks, depending on quantity, average age, etc.
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2008, 02:08:14 PM »

Protestant christian morality.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2008, 02:16:08 PM »

An appreciation of the traditional role of the nuclear family in society, an understanding that each child should be entitled to a mother and a father as a civil right, and a respect for human life and moral decency.

There, defined it in the second post.

Still waiting on the "Community organizer" thing....

The nuclear family is not all that traditional. Really, it was only made possible in the 20th century due to Social Security and antibiotics. The extended family is the much more common historical example. I don't see a lot of respect for human life from the "family values" crowd.

Couldn't agree more. If you were poor your siblings, aunts and grandparents share child rearing responsibilities under one roof or in the same community. If you were rich you got a nanny. Then you were off to school. In both situations spending some time with ones parents compared to know was quite rare.
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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2008, 02:17:09 PM »

Reminder: Slavery, jim crow, spousal abuse, gay bashing are all family values.
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2008, 03:03:33 PM »

2 for the price of 1 on a half gallon of 2% reduced fat milk.
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2008, 03:06:11 PM »

Ummm mainstream Protestants are pretty liberal. I am a Presbyterian and at my church there is an even split of Democrats, Indies, and fairly moderate Republicans and I live in Idaho. Evangelicals are the people that you are thinking of.
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2008, 03:07:14 PM »

Anything Republicans support. Obviously.
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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2008, 03:15:44 PM »

Ummm mainstream Protestants are pretty liberal. I am a Presbyterian and at my church there is an even split of Democrats, Indies, and fairly moderate Republicans and I live in Idaho. Evangelicals are the people that you are thinking of.

Also note that it's non-Christians (Mormons) who are largely responsible for Idaho being so Republican.
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2008, 03:16:31 PM »

My definition of family values:

People living together with other people who love them and will take care of them.
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2008, 03:19:11 PM »

Anything Republicans support. Obviously.

Really?  I was just reading an article in the NY Daily News about the beast and they called her the "family values" candidate.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2008, 03:28:35 PM »

Anything Republicans support. Obviously.

Really?  I was just reading an article in the NY Daily News about the beast and they called her the "family values" candidate.  Roll Eyes

Sometimes Democrats stop being fascist communist scum and pretend to support family values, too, but don't be fooled--it's just to make them palatable so they can be elected. Then the communism returns. Clearly, the Daily News bought into Clinton's ruse.
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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2008, 03:34:58 PM »

An appreciation of the traditional role of the nuclear family in society, an understanding that each child should be entitled to a mother and a father as a civil right, and a respect for human life and moral decency.

There, defined it in the second post.

Still waiting on the "Community organizer" thing....

He worked for nonprofits and coordinated voter registration drives.

a mother and a father are a civil right? I admire your idealism, but that's not always the case in the real world: what if one of the parents is deceased? What if one is a serial abuser? Personally I think it's better for a child to grow up with one loving parent than with two awful ones, and yes, it's better to have two dads or two moms than no parents at all.
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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2008, 03:35:39 PM »

Uhhhh...does it have something to do with Grocery Shopping? I hear lots of republicans talking about "markets" and "family values". It could be about buying in bulk. That's it! It's about the large amount of goods you get for a relatively small amount of money when you buy in bulk for family-sized house-holds. That must be why Republicans are so fat, too.
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« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2008, 03:42:19 PM »

As commonly used, the term  involves a mix of abortion, abstinence, pornography, marriage, drugs, and religion in the public square issues.
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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2008, 03:45:44 PM »

As commonly used, the term  involves a mix of abortion, abstinence, pornography, marriage, drugs, and religion in the public square issues.

You mean sex in the public square.
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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2008, 07:23:14 PM »

Ummm mainstream Protestants are pretty liberal. I am a Presbyterian and at my church there is an even split of Democrats, Indies, and fairly moderate Republicans and I live in Idaho. Evangelicals are the people that you are thinking of.
Evangelicals are the most vocal and politically influential of the protestant sects so checkmate.
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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2008, 07:28:14 PM »

The term "family values" is a code for conservative Christian values. Many liberal values (helping the poor, anti-war, equal pay for equal work, free speech, etc.) could also be seen as values issues.
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