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« on: August 29, 2004, 11:35:21 PM »

West Virginia didn't want to leave the union, so they seceded (Sp, I'm in a hurry) from Virginia, so they were never part of the Confederacy.

WVA was created illegally.
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2004, 11:51:51 PM »

Illegally?  So the proponent of secession doesn't believe in secession for others?

Lincoln believed the southern states never seceded in the first place. So if you use his theory then the creation of WVA is unconstitutional according to the constitution.

"No state shall be created from a part of another state"
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2004, 12:02:28 AM »

Yes, but the Restored Government of Virginia approved the creation of WV.  They created the state of Kanawha out of the pro-Union, anti-slavery counties in the west and then renamed themselves West Virginia.

The reason Virginia approved of the seperation was for this reason. After the war the Federal Government gave the state of Virginia two options in regard to the situation. Keep the western counties and remain one Virginia on the grounds that Virginia owed the federal government all its pre war and war debt. Or, allow WVA to be created and the debt would be split in half between the two states. Seeing as Virginia was in terrible shape for the next dozen years following the war logically Virginia chose the second option. The eastern panhandle was coerced by the federal government into becoming a part of WVA mainly because they feds threatened to punish Harpers Ferry and its county by cutting off the thriving B&O railroad. So you can argue many sides to the creation of WVA and be partially right I suppose.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2004, 12:22:11 AM »

It was originally created in 1863.  Maybe the post-war VA gov't was forced to accept this fact through various budgetary means, but WV became a state in time to vote in the 1864 election.

Then it was unconstitutionally created because Lincoln stated on several occassions that southern states never left the Union. And all 35 stars remained on regimental flags throughout the war. The whole problem is the federal government was forced into that belief because if they dared to say the south was not a part of the union they would be conceding a states right of secession. As a Libertarian you should be in sympathy with secession.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2004, 12:55:01 AM »

They never left; their governments did.

Well the states government is the state.

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