Obama on Small-Town Pennsylvania...

[J. J.]

As someone who grew up in one of those small towns, during a blue collar prosperity era, I can say that the people there, "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment" because of economic displacement. 

I've gotten the impression of an elitist attitude in Obama, and this typifies it.

[Democratic Hawk]

Hilllary Rodham Clinton: "Pennsylvanians Don't Need A President Who Looks Down On Them"

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/obama_on_guns_and_religion_in.php

Dave

[J. J.]

These gross generalizations with a dash of armchair psychobabble, are pretty annoying. Maybe these folks like guns because western PA is abundant with hunting areas, and it is still a major form of recreation. And maybe it is less resentment than less exposure to PC politics. And maybe the folks there are as diverse in their motivations, as well - yep - you guessed it -  the folks in San Francisco!  And maybe Obama is well, yep you guessed it again, a social snob - yes snob. That is my psychobabble thought for the day. Hey, two can play this game you know. Cheer.

Another reason is that many of these towns do not have full time police protection.

[exopolitician]

Hilllary Rodham Clinton: "Pennsylvanians Don't Need A President Who Looks Down On Them"

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/obama_on_guns_and_religion_in.php

Dave

Oh yeah? Why does Pennsylvania suddenly count now but not every other caucus/primary state doesnt? Shes the last person to talk about somebody looking down on other states.

[Sam Spade]

I like the fact that jfern posts the whole quote of the line from the speech with the idea that it makes Obama look less condescending.  Only in Berkeley...

[Beet]

What a joke this whole manufactured controversy is.

Look at this comments in context, and they were basically the same as J.J.'s comments above.

Can we talk about the issues, the themes? No. The only thing interesting is the dirt. And how to spin it. This is how the future of great superpowers is decided.

When will Democrats learn that the media is controlled by the establishment and the same media that destroyed Gore and allowed Kerry to be swiftboated and then destroyed both Clintons is not going to give Obama a free pass?

[Democratic Hawk]

Hilllary Rodham Clinton: "Pennsylvanians Don't Need A President Who Looks Down On Them"

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/obama_on_guns_and_religion_in.php

Dave

Oh yeah? Why does Pennsylvania suddenly count now but not every other caucus/primary state doesnt? Shes the last person to talk about somebody looking down on other states.

Hillary Rodham Clinton disgusts me more and more with each and every passing day

Dave

[agcatter]

Uh, so I "cling to religion" because of loss of jobs etc.  Thanks for explaining that to me Senator.  And all along I thought it had to do with my faith.

I'm really starting to despise this arrogant elitist.  

Keep talking Senator.  The mask continues to slip.

[Storebought]

I'm surprised no one noted the real gaffe:

Obama called Pennsylvania a Midwestern state

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But this is all a big-little nothing.

[Beet]

Hilllary Rodham Clinton: "Pennsylvanians Don't Need A President Who Looks Down On Them"

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/obama_on_guns_and_religion_in.php

Dave

Oh yeah? Why does Pennsylvania suddenly count now but not every other caucus/primary state doesnt? Shes the last person to talk about somebody looking down on other states.

Hillary Rodham Clinton disgusts me more and more with each and every passing day

Dave

Lets hope for the sake of America that most Democrats who actually live in this country don't feel that they candidate who is not their first choice "disgusts them more and more with each and every passing day" for waging a campaign.

[Alcon]

I'm surprised no one noted the real gaffe:

Obama called Pennsylvania a Midwestern state

You must be logged in to read this quote.

But this is all a big-little nothing.

No, he called small towns in Pennsylvania "like" a lot of small towns in the Midwest, as far as I can tell?

[Democratic Hawk]

Hilllary Rodham Clinton: "Pennsylvanians Don't Need A President Who Looks Down On Them"

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/obama_on_guns_and_religion_in.php

Dave

Oh yeah? Why does Pennsylvania suddenly count now but not every other caucus/primary state doesnt? Shes the last person to talk about somebody looking down on other states.

Hillary Rodham Clinton disgusts me more and more with each and every passing day

Dave

Lets hope for the sake of America that most Democrats who actually live in this country don't feel that they candidate who is not their first choice "disgusts them more and more with each and every passing day" for waging a campaign.

The time it's taking Democrats to settle on a presidential nominee, I'm beginning to wonder whether they want to win at all

The right will be making the most of this, I expect better from Clinton - a Democrat

Funny how this story breaks the day Rasmussen reports Obama leading McCain, handidly, in PA; while other pollsters have him snapping at Clinton's heels in PA Democratic primary

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

What a joke this whole manufactured controversy is.

Look at this comments in context, and they were basically the same as J.J.'s comments above.

Can we talk about the issues, the themes? No. The only thing interesting is the dirt. And how to spin it. This is how the future of great superpowers is decided.

When will Democrats learn that the media is controlled by the establishment and the same media that destroyed Gore and allowed Kerry to be swiftboated and then destroyed both Clintons is not going to give Obama a free pass?

Can't disagree with you there

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Can we get over the total and utter bullsh**t meme that the so called media is somehow pro Obama? They are doing their best to take him down like they took down Gore and Kerry. They want President McCain.  The real story here is what a rag the so called media is.

[Eraserhead]

I applaud Senator Obama's comments. This only serves to strengthen my support for him.

As for the political impact... if Rev. Wright had very little impact, I can't see this having much of any (maybe it will hurt him a little in PA but he's going to lose there anyway).

[Eraserhead]

I'm surprised no one noted the real gaffe:

Obama called Pennsylvania a Midwestern state

You must be logged in to read this quote.

But this is all a big-little nothing.

No, he called small towns in Pennsylvania "like" a lot of small towns in the Midwest, as far as I can tell?

No need for the question mark. You are correct Alcon.

[Storebought]

I'm surprised no one noted the real gaffe:

Obama called Pennsylvania a Midwestern state

You must be logged in to read this quote.

But this is all a big-little nothing.

No, he called small towns in Pennsylvania "like" a lot of small towns in the Midwest, as far as I can tell?

Not quite. It seems that he is comparing the condition of a class of small towns in PA to be similar to the class of small towns in other states of the Midwest ... which PA isn't. It would be like saying, in exaggeration,

"You know, Atlanta, like a lot of cities on the West Coast, has a crime problem ..."

But, like I said, it's a minor contention.

What concerns me more is that, if the Obama supporters had their way, all criticism of their candidate is illegitimate and thus off-limits, for any number of reasons. Just take a look at their handling of other flare-ups ... thin-skinned and personal.

[Democratic Hawk]

Uh, so I "cling to religion" because of loss of jobs etc.  Thanks for explaining that to me Senator.  And all along I thought it had to do with my faith.

I'm really starting to despise this arrogant elitist.  

Keep talking Senator.  The mask continues to slip.

Not as much as I have a deep disdain for Republicans, who talk like populists, but serve elite interests

Of the three potential presidents, Obama, in my humble opinion, is the most modest, assuming of them all. It's rare any politician connects with me on a personal level

Dave

[Beet]

Hilllary Rodham Clinton: "Pennsylvanians Don't Need A President Who Looks Down On Them"

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/obama_on_guns_and_religion_in.php

Dave

Oh yeah? Why does Pennsylvania suddenly count now but not every other caucus/primary state doesnt? Shes the last person to talk about somebody looking down on other states.

Hillary Rodham Clinton disgusts me more and more with each and every passing day

Dave

Lets hope for the sake of America that most Democrats who actually live in this country don't feel that they candidate who is not their first choice "disgusts them more and more with each and every passing day" for waging a campaign.

The time it's taking Democrats to settle on a presidential nominee, I'm beginning to wonder whether they want to win at all

The right will be making the most of this, I expect better from Clinton - a Democrat

Funny how this story breaks the day Rasmussen reports Obama leading McCain, handidly, in PA; while other pollsters have him snapping at Clinton's heels in PA Democratic primary

Dave

You're right. Now that I've become neutral in the primary, the danger is that people choose sides and then see things through tinted glasses- myself included at times- they become so entrenched in that side that they never come around. But you're right, I'm sorry for snapping at you.

[Torie]

Yep. No need to guild the lily. What he is saying is that parts of Pennsylvania are every bit as much as a dump as the parts of the Midwest that are so benighted that they would vote for a witch rather than him, and so if he loses Pennsylvania, well there is only so much on can do with such people. Some just aren't responsive to rehabilitation therapy. Facts are facts.

[Michael Z]

I look forward to people freaking out about it here. You guys will get upset about anything.

[exopolitician]

I like how this is considered breaking news when it all of this happened sunday. Its been floating around for nearly a week and is only just now beginning to flare....hmm...

[Sasquatch]

Obama speaks the truth.

[Aizen]

Some people have to manufacture their disgust
A pointless story and they spontaneously combust

[Democratic Hawk]

Hilllary Rodham Clinton: "Pennsylvanians Don't Need A President Who Looks Down On Them"

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/obama_on_guns_and_religion_in.php

Dave

Oh yeah? Why does Pennsylvania suddenly count now but not every other caucus/primary state doesnt? Shes the last person to talk about somebody looking down on other states.

Hillary Rodham Clinton disgusts me more and more with each and every passing day

Dave

Lets hope for the sake of America that most Democrats who actually live in this country don't feel that they candidate who is not their first choice "disgusts them more and more with each and every passing day" for waging a campaign.

The time it's taking Democrats to settle on a presidential nominee, I'm beginning to wonder whether they want to win at all

The right will be making the most of this, I expect better from Clinton - a Democrat

Funny how this story breaks the day Rasmussen reports Obama leading McCain, handidly, in PA; while other pollsters have him snapping at Clinton's heels in PA Democratic primary

Dave

You're right. Now that I've become neutral in the primary, the danger is that people choose sides and then see things through tinted glasses- myself included at times- they become so entrenched in that side that they never come around. But you're right, I'm sorry for snapping at you.