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Silent Hunter
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« on: March 06, 2008, 06:21:47 AM »

I notice that people here are calling Senator Clinton by her first name most of the time, but not so for Senator Obama.

Why? It looks sexist to me.
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2008, 07:14:29 AM »


If that's so, then why is it used on all those signs? Anyway, we also have Bill, so it's a legitimate means of disambiguation.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2008, 07:16:26 AM »

It is largely because of Bill Clinton. But yeah, there is a sexist element to it too. Though I noted that CNN often refers to "Senator Hillary Clinton" and "Barack Obama".
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2008, 12:42:52 PM »

There are two Clintons, so it's the preferred one-name term.

As for sexism, it's on her campaign sign Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2008, 12:46:56 PM »

Primarily because she seems to prefer it herself. It's more of "Look at me, I'm a WOMAN" self-labeling to encourage women to vote for her than anything else. Plus, there are two Clintons, so both names are often necessary.

I try to make a point of only ever calling her Clinton unless disambiguation is needed because I think using "Hillary" gives undue credence to the notion that women should vote for her because she's a woman.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2008, 04:48:48 PM »
« Edited: March 06, 2008, 05:03:59 PM by TCash101 »

Her signs say Hillary; his say Obama. It seems that's what they want to be called. If she wants to be called "Clinton" she should change her signs and website and buttons and all that.

So, Ivan, why is it sexist to call people by what they seemingly want to be referred to as?
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2008, 05:01:20 PM »

Yeah, I brought this up a few months ago:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=66215.0

One would think that, if she actually managed to win the nomination and be elected president, at some point people would switch from calling her "Hillary" to calling her "Clinton"....because "President Hillary" sounds all wrong.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2008, 05:08:23 PM »

I notice that people here are calling Senator Clinton by her first name most of the time, but not so for Senator Obama.

Why? It looks sexist to me.

To distinguish her from her husband. And because it's what her campaign signs and bumper stickers say.
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2008, 10:42:04 AM »

I notice that people here are calling Senator Clinton by her first name most of the time, but not so for Senator Obama.
Because people think of Bill when they hear "Clinton".
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2008, 02:43:24 PM »

Hey, there's a Bill Clinton too, so she'll want to distinguish herself. I'm sure if she's elected, the media will call her something like "President Hillary Clinton"
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2008, 02:46:10 PM »

I call her Clinton, or Hilary Clinton. It pisses me off when others don't, but I've learned to live with it.
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2008, 04:21:57 PM »

Back in 2000, it really didn't take long for people to start using "Bush" to mean "George W. Bush" rather than his father.  Of course, GHW Bush didn't have such a prominent role in his son's campaign, so there was really only one Bush in the news.
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