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« on: February 03, 2008, 09:04:38 PM »

This is interesting:

Hillary isn't advertising in Alaska, Missouri, Colorado, and Kansas. Obama, meanwhile, is advertising in every state except Illinois.

There are four possibilities of why this is happening:

1: Clinton is confident of wins in these states. Very unlikely, I know.

2: Clinton doesn't think she can wins these states. Also very unlikely. She has a lead in MO and can't be that far behind in CO or KS.

3: She is running out of money.

4: She wants to concentrate her $ on CA and NY/NJ.

I really have no idea.

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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2008, 09:10:26 PM »

This is interesting:

Hillary isn't advertising in Alaska, Missouri, Colorado, and Kansas. Obama, meanwhile, is advertising in every state except Illinois.

There are four possibilities of why this is happening:

1: Clinton is confident of wins in these states. Very unlikely, I know.

2: Clinton doesn't think she can wins these states. Also very unlikely. She has a lead in MO and can't be that far behind in CO or KS.

3: She is running out of money.

4: She wants to concentrate her $ on CA and NY/NJ.

I really have no idea.



My analysis:

Point 1:  Doubtful

Point 2:  Colorado and Kansas definitely go to Obama

Point 3:  Hillary?  Out of money?Huh??  Please.

Point 4:  Very possible, but I still think its doubtful.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2008, 09:12:09 PM »

One of the most tenacious figures in politics giving up when, at worst, she is very slightly behind?

No way.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2008, 09:12:17 PM »

Clinton is running out of money, and is conserving it for February. There was a blog I read somewhere explaining this further in depth (I'll try to find it), but what's basically happening is that Clinton has maxed out all her donors, while Barack Obama's donors, who mostly donate small amounts, aren't yet maxed out, and thus he's able to continuing bring in money ($32 million in January).
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2008, 09:14:36 PM »

Yeah, she's probable ceding Kansas, Alaska and Colorado to Obama. However, I can't understand Missouri.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2008, 09:15:50 PM »

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=426
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2008, 09:16:23 PM »

I think it's a combination of 2 and 4: she knows California will be the decisive state on Super Tuesday: if she loses, it gives Obama HUGE momentum. If she wins, the pressure will start mounting on him to drop out. I think she knows she'll win NY and NJ, and is just trying to rack up delegates.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2008, 09:17:18 PM »

I think it's a money issue actually (combined with the idea that Obama is pretty strong in these states). I'm most shocked by her neglecting MO though. Maybe her internals are telling her bad things there.

Of course this doesn't mean she is giving up the race entirely. That would be absurd.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2008, 09:17:46 PM »

Yeah, she's probable ceding Kansas, Alaska and Colorado to Obama. However, I can't understand Missouri.

I can.  Missouri is close, for sure, but I think Obama will take it because of the "neighbor" influence.
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2008, 09:18:58 PM »

I think it's a combination of 2 and 4: she knows California will be the decisive state on Super Tuesday: if she loses, it gives Obama HUGE momentum. If she wins, the pressure will start mounting on him to drop out. I think she knows she'll win NY and NJ, and is just trying to rack up delegates.

I think New Jersey could be the close one nobody was expecting to be close. I still think Hillary will win it but it might be closer than expected. Maybe 52-47?
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2008, 09:21:14 PM »

Yeah, she's probable ceding Kansas, Alaska and Colorado to Obama. However, I can't understand Missouri.

I can.  Missouri is close, for sure, but I think Obama will take it because of the "neighbor" influence.

She is sort of a neighbor too though. Arkansas is under it and she is from Illinois originally.
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2008, 09:23:09 PM »

Yeah, she's probable ceding Kansas, Alaska and Colorado to Obama. However, I can't understand Missouri.

I can.  Missouri is close, for sure, but I think Obama will take it because of the "neighbor" influence.

She is sort of a neighbor too though. Arkansas is under it and she is from Illinois originally.

True, but Obama is a "current" neighbor and I think that will outweigh the "former" neighbor.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2008, 09:28:10 PM »

I think it's a combination of 2 and 4: she knows California will be the decisive state on Super Tuesday: if she loses, it gives Obama HUGE momentum. If she wins, the pressure will start mounting on him to drop out. I think she knows she'll win NY and NJ, and is just trying to rack up delegates.

If the delagate count is within 100 there is no way Obama drops out.  The states voting after Super Tuesday are very favorable to him other than Texas, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. 
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2008, 09:30:00 PM »

One of the most tenacious figures in politics giving up when, at worst, she is very slightly behind?

No way.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2008, 09:35:19 PM »

Yeah, she's probable ceding Kansas, Alaska and Colorado to Obama. However, I can't understand Missouri.

I can.  Missouri is close, for sure, but I think Obama will take it because of the "neighbor" influence.

She is sort of a neighbor too though. Arkansas is under it and she is from Illinois originally.

True, but Obama is a "current" neighbor and I think that will outweigh the "former" neighbor.

For some reason I've had Missouri in the Obama column for the last month.
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2008, 09:36:10 PM »

Yeah, she's probable ceding Kansas, Alaska and Colorado to Obama. However, I can't understand Missouri.

I can.  Missouri is close, for sure, but I think Obama will take it because of the "neighbor" influence.

She is sort of a neighbor too though. Arkansas is under it and she is from Illinois originally.

True, but Obama is a "current" neighbor and I think that will outweigh the "former" neighbor.

For some reason I've had Missouri in the Obama column for the last month.

So have I
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2008, 09:39:05 PM »
« Edited: February 03, 2008, 10:11:39 PM by Eraserhead »

Nobody is going to drop out as a result of Super Tuesday (on the Democratic side at least).
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2008, 09:41:07 PM »

Noobody is going to drop out as a result of Super Tuesday (on the Democratic side at least).
Nor the Republican side
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2008, 09:44:11 PM »

Noobody is going to drop out as a result of Super Tuesday (on the Democratic side at least).
Nor the Republican side

Are you THR's other account?
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2008, 09:53:32 PM »



1: Clinton is confident of wins in these states. Very unlikely, I know. Doubtful

2: Clinton doesn't think she can wins these states. Also very unlikely. She has a lead in MO and can't be that far behind in CO or KS. It's a question of spending money were it bring the greatest results

3: She is running out of money. No way

4: She wants to concentrate her $ on CA and NY/NJ. That's it, but primarily in CA!
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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2008, 09:59:58 PM »

I predict there are about zero voters in Missouri who have the logic of "Well, I think I'll vote for Obama because he's from a big city in a state that borders me."

The era of regional politics in America is dead... except in a few cases in the South.
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2008, 10:02:48 PM »

I predict there are about zero voters in Missouri who have the logic of "Well, I think I'll vote for Obama because he's from a big city in a state that borders me."

The era of regional politics in America is dead... except in a few cases in the South.

Obama won almost all the counties on the border with IL.
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2008, 10:03:53 PM »

Yeah, she's probable ceding Kansas, Alaska and Colorado to Obama. However, I can't understand Missouri.

I can.  Missouri is close, for sure, but I think Obama will take it because of the "neighbor" influence.

The homestate advantage is obviously there, but is there any evidence whatsoever that people from neighboring states give a damn about where the person is from?
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2008, 10:06:10 PM »

I predict there are about zero voters in Missouri who have the logic of "Well, I think I'll vote for Obama because he's from a big city in a state that borders me."

The era of regional politics in America is dead... except in a few cases in the South.

Obama won almost all the counties on the border with IL.

Volunteers pouring into eastern Iowa.

Maybe media markets.

Not neighboring state stuff.
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2008, 10:13:00 PM »

Noobody is going to drop out as a result of Super Tuesday (on the Democratic side at least).
Nor the Republican side

Keep telling yourself that.

You better hope your boy pulls a major upset in Cali or it's lights out.
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